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Darkish  posted on Jan 01, 2007 2:38:12 PM - Report post

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What are you talking about? Evidence? Someone says something that you agree with and you call it evidence such as a fact? Relgion isn't the cause of war.

Sure, of course today you have the radical Islamics and in the far back past with the Crusades.

But you can't tie all...not even close to all...wars to being because of religion.

 
dstates  posted on Jan 01, 2007 2:56:51 PM - Report post

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i wasnt speaking of all wars. just the ones that originated from religious disputes. and there are plenty of them
 
Shibby  posted on Jan 01, 2007 6:14:11 PM - Report post

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"We are in no other way superior to other animals.

If we are, name one."

Err, all...of them...I can't understand how or why for that matter you want to put yourself equal to that of an animal.

If creations through evolution is true, then why was the human the only 'animal' to have a superior brain? Why was the human the only one that can talk?


"Oh, and what if God isn't Human? Does that make us superior?"

God isn't human...I actually somewhat believe that their are aliens out there in the galaxy.

"Another question. Could God make a stone so heavy that he wouldn't be able to lift it?"

This is just a paradox past our logic as humans. You might as well just ask the question, 'What would happen if an unstoppable force came into contact with an immovable object?'

God isn't the only thing past our logic as humans.


"how can you believe in something you dont completely understand?"

How can you?

But good answer by Quan-Chi...faith.


"but why test? that just leaves room for struggle and destruction."

What kind of world would we live in if we knew all the answers?


"Something I was wondering, god supposedly gives us the choice love him or not right?
Well using his big almighty mind, shouldn't god have realized that some people wouldn't have that choice as they may not know he exists? Then they die and its like 'oh man, I wish I new about this god guy, now i have to burn in hell'"

You're not going to go to Hell for not knowing about God. That wouldn't be a very loving and merciful God as He truly is. But what about those who do know Him...like you?


P.S Thanks Quan-Chi...I've been alone in these past debates for a while now.

[Edited by darkish_raven, 12/31/2006 8:52:11 PM]

Cool, so mercy for the ignorant, thats fair.
As for me, I know about him, yet I'm not convinced yet. If he does exist, he's not doing a good job from my point of view. And i'll happily admit to being wrong about him. Just hasn't happened yet and may not.
If heavens real and I go to be judged, I'll apologize and regret not believing. I think it'd be nice if there was a heaven and a god and all that, but I'm just not convinced to put my faith in that yet, and maybe I never will.

 
Darkish  posted on Jan 01, 2007 7:19:48 PM - Report post

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Cool, so mercy for the ignorant, thats fair.
As for me, I know about him, yet I'm not convinced yet. If he does exist, he's not doing a good job from my point of view. And i'll happily admit to being wrong about him. Just hasn't happened yet and may not.
If heavens real and I go to be judged, I'll apologize and regret not believing. I think it'd be nice if there was a heaven and a god and all that, but I'm just not convinced to put my faith in that yet, and maybe I never will.


So if you were God and your creation refused to acknowledge your existence and constantly push you away from society, what would you do?

And if you would like to view the afterlife with a heaven or hell and God, why don't you? I look at my family and my personal self and I realize that it is not just coincidence that I am living a very, very comfortable life.

To tell you the truth, my family and I pray the rosary everyday and because of that, I beleive that I am protected. Compared to the average family, my family is either very blessed, or we fell upon a pot of luck.

But why don't you turn the tables for a minute. See yourself as God. You created the humans and they constantly pushed you aside and refused to beleive in your existence even after proof of your existence was given to people, and they still refused.

The people die and they see that you do exist. By them saying sorry...would that be enough?

 
EternalSlayer  posted on Jan 02, 2007 7:22:49 AM - Report post

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"Err, all...of them...I can't understand how or why for that matter you want to put yourself equal to that of an animal.

If creations through evolution is true, then why was the human the only 'animal' to have a superior brain? Why was the human the only one that can talk?"

The beauty of Natural selection is that it does not favour the same predicates in everything. The chances of our brains evolving this way were almost infinetely small, there were other animals that evolved the same way, such as the "Homo sapiens idaltu" and the Neanderthals, however we had Natural advantages over these subspecies and they became extinct. If two animals share a common characteristic it is natural that the one whose is more efficient should dominate over the other, thereby, by evolving to have greater brains we drove the other species to extinction because we could dominate over them in most aspects.

"God isn't human...I actually somewhat believe that their are aliens out there in the galaxy."

So are these aliens superior to us, are they animals, if God is an alien, what would his (its) interests be in "creating" the Earth, are we just some intergalactic experiment then? I though people that believed in God believe that they are the children of a Deity that watches over them and cares?

"This is just a paradox past our logic as humans. You might as well just ask the question, 'What would happen if an unstoppable force came into contact with an immovable object?'

God isn't the only thing past our logic as humans."

Not many people believe in unstoppable forces, I don't believe in unstoppable forces until they are proven to me, in the same way I don't believe in God until someone proves he exists.

"But good answer by Quan-Chi...faith."

I like the definition of faith on wikipedia: "Faith is a belief, trust, or confidence, not based on logic, reason, or empirical data, but based fundamentally on volition often associated with a transpersonal relationship with God, a higher power, a person, elements of nature, and/or a perception of the human race as a whole. Faith can be placed in a person, inanimate object, state of affairs, proposition or body of propositions such as a religious creed."
Pursue faith if you must, but in my opinion why waste your time?

 
EternalSlayer  posted on Jan 02, 2007 7:27:24 AM - Report post

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"So if you were God and your creation refused to acknowledge your existence and constantly push you away from society, what would you do?"

Prove your existence of course.

"And if you would like to view the afterlife with a heaven or hell and God, why don't you? I look at my family and my personal self and I realize that it is not just coincidence that I am living a very, very comfortable life."

And it's not just a coincidence that people in other places suffer?

"To tell you the truth, my family and I pray the rosary everyday and because of that, I beleive that I am protected. Compared to the average family, my family is either very blessed, or we fell upon a pot of luck."

If everyone were that way, all the rich families would be the ones devoted to God and the poor ones those that devote their time to sin. You'll find that on the whole it's the other way around. Don't counter me with saying that God is saving it for the afterlife, if you believed in it you wouldn't be praying for your riches to be upheld, but would be praying for other people and giving your riches to them.

"But why don't you turn the tables for a minute. See yourself as God. You created the humans and they constantly pushed you aside and refused to beleive in your existence even after proof of your existence was given to people, and they still refused."

Proof? Where?

"The people die and they see that you do exist. By them saying sorry...would that be enough?"

If God is so good to those ignorant of him why doesn't he do something about it? Same with the unbelievers.

[Edited by EternalSlayer, 1/2/2007 7:29:10 AM]

 
EternalSlayer  posted on Jan 02, 2007 7:30:49 AM - Report post

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"which is exactly why he tests faith. They choose not to beleive in him. The choice not to love him goes along with that"

If he gives people the choice not to believe in him, why does he, following this, hand out draconian punishments in Hell?

 
Jackal  posted on Jan 02, 2007 7:59:54 AM - Report post


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Boy your really reaching pal, sounds like you need help or something...I wouldn't be the one to tell you what to believe and what not to believe as I don't really consider myself Christian anymore, why am I not Christian? Well let's just say that I lost my belief in the whole church thing a long time ago, having it shoved down your throat since you were a kid tends to do that. But let's not get into that right now I'm here to help you not gripe about what's wrong with Christianity...

I can tell you one thing for damn sure- I do believe there is a God and there is a Heaven and there is a Hell, and depending on how you've lived your life you will end up in either place.

Maybe God and Heaven is just a pipe dream, but I'd rather have faith and hope in something then nothing...because without hope one is lost. And besides what if you die tomorrow and your soul arrives in Heaven and hey, you realize everything you've heard was true. But your already dead (past the point of no return so to speak) and because of your unfaithfulness and unbelief on this earth your sent to burn in Hell for all eternity...

I don't know about you but I'd rather not risk eternal damnation because of my foolish pride...try to remember one thing my friend, Satans biggest trick was convincing mankind that he didn't exist. So just because you think something's not real because you can't physically see it or you've been convinced not to believe in it doesn't mean it's not real.

Free will my friend, free will...it's a beautiful thing, God gave us a hell of a gift of choice...I'm not recruiting anyone I'm just throwing this out there for you or anyone else for that matter pondering this question, so it's up to you my friend...think hard on your choice though, it could one day mean your soul. Jackal

[Edited by Jackal, 7/13/2007 4:26:32 PM]

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