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ghost42  posted on Oct 02, 2005 9:22:09 PM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by bobulation

sure you do.

but by defending i mean like confuse ray, safegaurd, mist, haze, roar, psyc up, etc.

those moves either a) protect you from status changes b) stops the other pokemon from gaining any from using curse/belly drum/agility/etc. c) help ur own stats so u do more damage d) annoy the opponent so they're more likely to make a mistake

take dunsparce for example. most ppl would say it sucks cuz it has cr*ppy stats. so it cant deal punishing blows. o well; its can still be a crucial part of a team. glare paralyzes, mud slap reduces accuracy, swagger confuses, and double team increases your evasion. if you care to find out the data, the opponent should only have a 20-30% chance of pulling off a move and a 10-20% chance of hitting you. go figure. then u can switch to a sweeper, an attacker, or a heavy hitter and completely screw over the opponent.

I see what you mean, but your stradegy's could need some work too

ie: with your dunsprance stradegy your better of tacking of glare and mud-slap and putting on baton pass and defence-curl, before you bring it in, put you'r opponent's pokemon to sleep to prevent your's getting knocked out streight away, and when you switch, use baton-pass (all stat's that your dunsprance had will chaing over to the new pokemon) to chainge to a ghost pokemon that knows confuseray, screetch, amnisia and thunderwave, that way you'll have a Ghost pokemon's stats maxed out and almost invincible

the reason you sould reduce the opponent's phisicle defence when there confused is because the damage they do to them selves is there phisicle attack minus there phisicle defence, so whene there defence is lowerd or there attack has been raised, they hurt themselves more


as for why I didden't have that many defencive moves is because my stats are stupidly high, so i knock out my opponent with one attack

my mewtwo's special attack is 402
my phisical attackers attack are around 350
also they get a 50% attack increace because there attack's are the same as there typ, hence why I gave my dragon ite wing attack (attack power go's from 60 to 90) and out rage (attack go's from 80 to 120)

 
bobulation  posted on Oct 03, 2005 2:55:09 PM - Report post

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1. ghost pokemon arent invincible at all.... because the only pure ghost has horrible moves and horrible stats. so even a gengar with maxxxed out stats is gonna die by a standard typhlosion, charizard, venasaur, blastoise, marowak, machamp (even tho he's a fighting type) and more.

2. id much rather have glare than defence curl. also, double team is just so u can get more mud-slaps in, so there is no need for bp.

3. confusion just does 15% percent of damage it WOULD have done. at least i think. might have to check up on that tho.

4. really high stats mean nothing because you can expect your opponent to use high tier pokemon too. (aaah, tier lists just like SSBM!) also, ur mewtwo wont do squat against a snorlax or shuckle cuz they have amazinly high special defense.

5. STAB is ok, but you shouldnt rely on it. being force to use wing attack on a rock pokemon isnt advisable, so you should always have a wide variety of attacks. not just a fire pkmn, water pkmn, grass pkmn, ground pkmn, dark pkmn, or wuteva.

for example, this is a BAD team:
Typhlosion
< fire spin, flamethrower, fire blast, cut >

Suicun (man, wut a great pokemon... too bad this moveset totally corrupts it)
< hydro pump, bubblebeam, surf, strength >

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etc. i think u get the idea.

so yea, my strategy might need some work, but that wuz just an example. as a rule of thumb, u should have 2-3 high tier pokemon on your team, 3-4 middle tier ones (cuz they usually can do amazing combos), 1-2 legendary pokemon, and 1-2 low tier ones (to really confuse your opponent). yes, i no that that doesnt add up to six, but my "team" has 11 pokemon on it. i just switch them in depending on my mood and the opponents general strategy.

 
ghost42  posted on Oct 03, 2005 10:30:42 PM - Report post

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I didden't say that he was "totaly invincible", I said he was nearly invincible, as for chainging dunsprance's attacks, with the attack's I addad he can move the stat boosts to a new pokemon, so I solved gengar's weak defence problem with dunsprance's D-curl, and he would have the double team that dunsprance used before.
as for my mewtwo and dragonite
my mewtwo's psychic attack takes 537 HP, an avrage snorlaxes S def is about 300, 537 - 300 = 237 damage don to snorlax that has around 500 HP, as for a shuckle, they have about 700 S def also about 650 P def, I'll use Ice beam 982 - 700 = 282 damage (is ice super efectivve against bugs?) and so the only pokemon that give me any problems are chansy and blissy
with my dragonite, she knows safegard wing attack outrage and extreamspeed
outrage will defeat a rock pokemon no worries, also if I do get in a situation like that, I'll switch
and for the rest of my attacks, I chose attacks that use my PKMN's highest attack stat

as for confusion, if your opponent's attack is raised to max and thre def is lowerd to min attack's will do about 9x the amount than normal, so 15% will become 135%

as for using high tier pokemon, if I was doing that I'd have 6 mewtwo's, but the one I mentiond is my best in all stats (I did not clone it)

if you use low - mid tier PKMN then they will get knocked out before you can use the combos
(also try D - curl then rollout, D - curl doubles rollout's attack power every time you use D - curl )

 
Shibby  posted on Oct 04, 2005 4:47:06 PM - Report post

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This is my desired team:
Blastoise
Pidgeot
Mr. Mime
Primape
Jolteon
Nidoking

Any suggestions?

 
bobulation  posted on Oct 04, 2005 5:26:20 PM - Report post

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in response to ghost:

when u calculate the damage that an attack does, u dont subract thier defense stat from your attack stats. otherwise u cud technically GIVE them health when u attack. also, how did u figure out that ur pyschic attack does 537 damage? according to my calculations (which are based off of experience, gameFaqs, IGN, and other CH users) it would do about 78 damage onto a snorlax. ouch man. also, ur ice beam thing is WAY off. almost 1000 damage???? wut game have u been playing.

nice to now ur last comment. but it doesnt work for me because i hate moves like rollout and outrage. cuz if ur golem has fire blast and they pull out a venasaur, ull still have to use rollout until you miss. which kinda sucz, cuz he'd toast u with a solarbeam.

for your dragonite, u shouldnt switch. or rely on a continous move. cuz if your first attack misses, your completely screwed. imagine feeling really good about your self when u use outrage only to find that your immediately confused and hurt your self instead. wouldnt that just make you so angry that maybe your hit A too many times and do something really stupid? cuz that happened to me.

and f.y.i., mid tier pokemon include some of the legends. the tier system isnt based on stats, its based on expediency and combos. like skarmory is one of the best pokemon out there (betcha didnt no that ) mewtwos arent great either..... half of my team could take one out in 1 hit... well at least 1 attack that actually does damage. the rest of the moves would be "useless" defense moves.

a final note: confusion only does 15% of the attacks base damage. so no matter which pokemon uses it, wut its stats are, or if it has STAB or not, a confused flamethrower will only do 15 damage. (i think. it might be a different percent. still havent gotten to checking that up)

so yea... my strategy DOES need some work, but hey, dunsparce isnt part of my team, but u need to refigure how u calculate damage. cuz those numbers are waaaaay off. and i AM fond of high tier pokemon, cuz most of them look really cool and intimidating. like marowack. but i want to let ppl out there no, that if they just LUV sunflora, they could probably find some moveset that would let them survive 3 or 4 hits.

[Edited by bobulation, 10/4/2005 5:53:47 PM]

 
bobulation  posted on Oct 04, 2005 5:48:55 PM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by potato_chips

This is my desired team:
Blastoise
Pidgeot
Mr. Mime
Primape
Jolteon
Nidoking

Any suggestions?

nice, but i dont like pidgeot. aesthetic preference i guess.

movelists should be up by at least thursday night, if i dont get too much homework, along with generall strategies off course.

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that remeinds me, i have 2 essays to write.....

out. payce yo.

 
ghost42  posted on Oct 04, 2005 9:07:20 PM - Report post

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attack damage is calculated attack stat + move damage - opponent's defence, +50% if the move is the same typ of the pokemon, + 100% if super effective against 1 typ, + 200% if super efective against both typs, - 50 % if not very efective against one typ, - 75% if not very efective against two typs, - 100% if dossen't effect, + 10% if move enhancing item is heald, + 100% if heald item is an item that only one or two kind's of pokemon can use it, + 100% if criticle hit, so it is very easy to do 1000 damage, if you know how


With my dragonite, I use safe gaurd before I use Outrage, witch prevents it from becoming confused, also Outrage only lasts for 2 - 3 turnes

as for Marowack, he is my favorate, I didden't add him in because he is to strong (250 attack * 2 from thick club = 500 attack + earthquake [+ 150 attack{because there the same typ, earthquake is increased by 50%}] = 650 attack striength with earthquake)

as for the confusion, ive seen a PKMN do little damage to itself and then I used screetch and the dammage it did to itself doubled, same when I used Swagger, why do you think Nintendo made swagger increase the opponent's attack?
also with my mewtwo's stats, there about 70 more that a standed LVL 100 Mewtwo that has had all the vitemins (the way I got it is play blue to the point where you fight him and then save, catch him, check his stat's, if low, reset and repeat, if high, trade him to onother game and restart, do it again, took me about 3 days of doing this to get this one, and I was using stadium's triple speed to do it)

[Edited by ghost42, 10/4/2005 9:14:55 PM]

 
Shibby  posted on Oct 04, 2005 11:23:56 PM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by bobulation

quote:
originally posted by potato_chips

This is my desired team:
Blastoise
Pidgeot
Mr. Mime
Primape
Jolteon
Nidoking

Any suggestions?

nice, but i dont like pidgeot. aesthetic preference i guess.

movelists should be up by at least thursday night, if i dont get too much homework, along with generall strategies off course.

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that remeinds me, i have 2 essays to write.....

out. payce yo.

I was thinking about changing Pidgeot for Moltress maybe, or Xatu.

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