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EternalSlayer  posted on Dec 29, 2006 2:30:43 AM - Report post

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OK...fine.

Now can you start the topic before my locking finger begins to itch?

 
OmertaRacer  posted on Dec 29, 2006 3:36:58 AM - Report post

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ahh jo, you wenna...

Im an atheast, I believe it was evolution that started the human race... any one against that?

[Edited by OmertaRacer, 12/29/2006 3:39:14 AM]

 
Shinigami  posted on Dec 29, 2006 4:01:56 AM - Report post

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I really just wanna say that it's more people that start wars than religions?

But that's all that i'm going to say, because otherwise we all know i'll just ramble some insulting stuff about someones religion and get the topic locked

 
Darkish  posted on Dec 29, 2006 10:00:08 AM - Report post

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Yeah, the only religion today that I can think of which start wars is Radical Islam.

Now for all you Atheists, I am starting to wonder on how the topic changed last time.

I was talking about feelings and instinct.

If creation through evolution was a mass of matter that expanded outward at a fast rate and over billions of years created what we have today, how do we have feelings or instinct?

Because atoms and molecules or whatever the Big Bang was certainly can't create feelings or instinct.

Now about the flaming part...

What Shibby said in the previous topic was unacceptable. What I said had to be said and I won't flame if everybody stays respectful. I'll try my best to stay respectful myself.

So, to get back to the question. Can any of you explain how molecules and atoms created, sadness, fear, hope, love, happiness?

What created man's inner instinct to survive?

 
DrugMunky  posted on Dec 29, 2006 12:55:12 PM - Report post

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Basic psychology actually has a quite convincing theory for feelings: they help us survive. Emotions do involve biochemical responses in the brain, not just thought. The reason we 'love' loved ones is because it aids in survival and reproduction. Mothers become attached to their children so they look after and care for them, otherwise there would be no reason for a wild animal to care for it's offspring and hence would fail to reproduce. Children become attached to their parents because they offer them protection. The same is applied to people we're in relationships with, an attachment assures we protect our partners and have someone to reproduce with.
Happiness and fear. Fear is a very clear survival mechanism, all animals experience fear in situations that threaten their lives. Happiness can be explained as a reinforcement technique applied by our own brains, if we do something beneficial to ourselves become happy. In the context of Evolutionary Theory all these emotions have evolved in order to help animals survive. A laymans example would be: which animal would last longer? One afraid of a bigger, stronger animal, or one who tries to eat it?

As for instinct...no idea, never understood how a Dolphin could learn to swim and take breaths from the surface within 5 seconds of birth.

 
dstates  posted on Dec 29, 2006 1:03:46 PM - Report post

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adaptation^ the dolphin is just born with instincts that it has developed for its need to survive

@ darkish-- right now the current wars may be because of differences between islam beliefs, but look back in history and see how many wars were started because of other religions

[Edited by dstates, 12/29/2006 1:05:18 PM]

 
Darkish  posted on Dec 29, 2006 5:28:56 PM - Report post

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originally posted by DrugMunky

Basic psychology actually has a quite convincing theory for feelings: they help us survive. Emotions do involve biochemical responses in the brain, not just thought. The reason we 'love' loved ones is because it aids in survival and reproduction. Mothers become attached to their children so they look after and care for them, otherwise there would be no reason for a wild animal to care for it's offspring and hence would fail to reproduce. Children become attached to their parents because they offer them protection. The same is applied to people we're in relationships with, an attachment assures we protect our partners and have someone to reproduce with.
Happiness and fear. Fear is a very clear survival mechanism, all animals experience fear in situations that threaten their lives. Happiness can be explained as a reinforcement technique applied by our own brains, if we do something beneficial to ourselves become happy. In the context of Evolutionary Theory all these emotions have evolved in order to help animals survive. A laymans example would be: which animal would last longer? One afraid of a bigger, stronger animal, or one who tries to eat it?

As for instinct...no idea, never understood how a Dolphin could learn to swim and take breaths from the surface within 5 seconds of birth.

So your going to give all the credit to molecules and atoms that created what we have today?

Also, the feelings I listed were just examples, how about explaining ALL of them...

And, your explanation didn't explain much, lol. You just basically said what each feeling is, not how they were created.

Sure, a type of love is created by a bond between two beings, but what created that bond? What created the want for a mother bear to care for her offspring than to just leave it alone after birth?

"As for instinct...no idea, never understood how a Dolphin could learn to swim and take breaths from the surface within 5 seconds of birth."

Right, and I'm sure some theory is going to come around that fits some wild description and the people who refuse to believe in God will accept it, right?

"adaptation^ the dolphin is just born with instincts that it has developed for its need to survive"

Yeah, that DOES explain a lot...of course there must not be a God...c'mon. How does that even explain how the instinct was created? By saying that something is there doesn't explain how it was created...

So, the most important question I would like to address is-

"What created the want for a mother bear to care for her offspring than to just leave it alone after birth?"

Sure, that want will eventually turn into love, but what created that inner want to care? That inner instinct?

Atoms and molecules that suddenlly came out of no where, expanded somehow for who knows how and came together over billions of years certainly did not.

 
dstates  posted on Dec 29, 2006 6:34:27 PM - Report post

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the instincts are an adaptation necessary for survival, if the mother bear didn't devolop an attachment her offspring then they would not survive and neither would the species

and you cant say you dont believe in the theory of evolution(and darwin's theory of evolution does not say we evolved from apes)
but over time humans have evovled, adapted, and advanced themselves. different cultures have different emotional reactoins to certain situations. a direct result of environmental adaptation.

emotions are triggered through electrical impulses in the brain and nervous system, through physical sinsations and/or ideas

[Edited by dstates, 12/29/2006 6:36:28 PM]

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