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Here's the problem in a nutshell.

1 game has anticheat thread that gets created almost instantly when the game is launched. It detects many things, but basically this thread runs along side your game and uses up CPU cycles and crashes the game if it detects something, like coding changes to the game in memory, etc.

2 the .dll is loaded into memory, if its used, when the game calls for that .dll to be loaded into memory. It's named the same as the actual authentic directx .dll that is SUPPOSED to be loaded. This other .dll is basically getting loaded BEFORE the code that starts the anti cheat thread starts and it prevents that thread from starting or closes it. Whether or not it loads the directx file it's replaceing after that I have no idea. In fact I have no idea what else it does, because it's not coded by us, it's not from a legit game trainer source, and it could be doing 100 other things, like mining for bitcoin in the background. WHO KNOWS. It's your computer and your fault if you paste things like that and let them work on your computer.

3 our method stops the thread from starting in a different way, which we wont get into here, but doesn't disrupt ANY DRM, or block or modify ANY STEAM, DRM, or DIRECTX files.

4 BOTH the .dll or OUR METHOD require that you can place a file into the game directory. For STEAM, this is not an issue because the steam game folders are easily and readily accessed with no problems.

5 For GAMEPASS and WINDOWS STORE apps and games, they are placed in LOCKED FOLDERS that have special permissions, due to the fact these are linked to your Microsoft account and the DRM and the ability to play 'free' all the Gamepass files are part of Microsoft own scheme, and in fact you aren't supposed to be able to get to these files. They are placed in protected folders. SURE, you can use methods and ways to unprotect them, but don't be surprised if you do it wrong, or mess something up, or after an update or patch, that your changing these permissions has caused unfixable problems. You can literally have a brick computer in terms of not being able to access the apps, the store, or xbox, etc. and will need to literally install from scratch.

6 So for games like that where you HAVE to have a file in the folder to launch the game, WE aren't going to be supporting that or trying to provide support for you to experiment and blow up your Windows Store folders. We would have endless postings here, from people who just don't get it, or did the wrong thing, and now blaming us for their bricked computer.

7 We aren't using .dll method in this case, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINDOWS FOLDER, since it's faking to be an actual WINDOWS SYSTEM DIRECTX FILE, and doing so in protected WINDOWS STORE FOLDER. This just isn't something we are going to do.

I hope this helps explain. Gamepass and Windows Store games are different, in many ways, launched from protected folders, and often a pain in the A to work with or make normal trainers for that don't have anticheats, so you can imagine the annoyance of them in special cases.. like this one.

best,
Cal

Hi Cal,

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation for everyone to read and understand.

Just wanted to add something in reference to points 5 & 6. Microsoft has now made it so that the game files and directories are easily accessible and viewable like normal folders, and not that previous nonsense where users couldn't officially access them. Any user is able to access the game folders, similar to Steam installs etc. I am not sure if this information helps in creating a potential launcher being made for Game Pass versions of this game (and others that require a launcher). I am sure there are other factors at play that could potentially prevent a successful trainer being made.

I was just adding this in case this was the only reason holding you guys back. Either way, great job as always on everything you and the team do!

Have a good day.

how so. Where is your game files for Gamepass for this game stored?

best,
Cal

Here's the problem in a nutshell.

1 game has anticheat thread that gets created almost instantly when the game is launched. It detects many things, but basically this thread runs along side your game and uses up CPU cycles and crashes the game if it detects something, like coding changes to the game in memory, etc.

2 the .dll is loaded into memory, if its used, when the game calls for that .dll to be loaded into memory. It's named the same as the actual authentic directx .dll that is SUPPOSED to be loaded. This other .dll is basically getting loaded BEFORE the code that starts the anti cheat thread starts and it prevents that thread from starting or closes it. Whether or not it loads the directx file it's replaceing after that I have no idea. In fact I have no idea what else it does, because it's not coded by us, it's not from a legit game trainer source, and it could be doing 100 other things, like mining for bitcoin in the background. WHO KNOWS. It's your computer and your fault if you paste things like that and let them work on your computer.

3 our method stops the thread from starting in a different way, which we wont get into here, but doesn't disrupt ANY DRM, or block or modify ANY STEAM, DRM, or DIRECTX files.

4 BOTH the .dll or OUR METHOD require that you can place a file into the game directory. For STEAM, this is not an issue because the steam game folders are easily and readily accessed with no problems.

5 For GAMEPASS and WINDOWS STORE apps and games, they are placed in LOCKED FOLDERS that have special permissions, due to the fact these are linked to your Microsoft account and the DRM and the ability to play 'free' all the Gamepass files are part of Microsoft own scheme, and in fact you aren't supposed to be able to get to these files. They are placed in protected folders. SURE, you can use methods and ways to unprotect them, but don't be surprised if you do it wrong, or mess something up, or after an update or patch, that your changing these permissions has caused unfixable problems. You can literally have a brick computer in terms of not being able to access the apps, the store, or xbox, etc. and will need to literally install from scratch.

6 So for games like that where you HAVE to have a file in the folder to launch the game, WE aren't going to be supporting that or trying to provide support for you to experiment and blow up your Windows Store folders. We would have endless postings here, from people who just don't get it, or did the wrong thing, and now blaming us for their bricked computer.

7 We aren't using .dll method in this case, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINDOWS FOLDER, since it's faking to be an actual WINDOWS SYSTEM DIRECTX FILE, and doing so in protected WINDOWS STORE FOLDER. This just isn't something we are going to do.

I hope this helps explain. Gamepass and Windows Store games are different, in many ways, launched from protected folders, and often a pain in the A to work with or make normal trainers for that don't have anticheats, so you can imagine the annoyance of them in special cases.. like this one.

best,
Cal

Hi Cal,

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation for everyone to read and understand.

Just wanted to add something in reference to points 5 & 6. Microsoft has now made it so that the game files and directories are easily accessible and viewable like normal folders, and not that previous nonsense where users couldn't officially access them. Any user is able to access the game folders, similar to Steam installs etc. I am not sure if this information helps in creating a potential launcher being made for Game Pass versions of this game (and others that require a launcher). I am sure there are other factors at play that could potentially prevent a successful trainer being made.

I was just adding this in case this was the only reason holding you guys back. Either way, great job as always on everything you and the team do!

Have a good day.