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I'm playing the Game Pass version with cheats, not sure why there isn't a trainer. Was one requested for Game Pass? I see there is one currently funded for Epic Store not GP.

There is a .dll file out there that when placed in the games directory with the launcher and the games .exe it blocks the anti cheat for this game, including the game pass version, then you can use memory editors like CE and Cosmos to make cheats. I'm currently playing with no reload, infinite grenades and God mode on game pass... still trying to figure out how to make myself invisible, but that might be beyond my skill set haha.

Are you saying that the Steam version does not have the Anti-Cheat mechanism and that's why there is a trainer from Steam and not for any other platform?

I tried to request a trainer for GamePass but it was declined/rejected 😞😭

No, it's DIFFERENT on each platform. We could not do one for Gamepass. If you want to use the trainer bad enough, buy the game on Steam.

"a .dll file out there". And where would this .dll file be? On warez sites filled with viruses or supplied by the game devs? If you found a solution that you trust and that works, then hooray for you. But also, just because you can use memory editors on a game doesn't automatically mean a trainer can be made like some of you people seem to believe. If it were that easy then my granny would be a trainer programmer.

Also, I STRONGLY suggest you NOT post links to this mysterious .dll or you may find your account disabled. If you want to send a link from your personal OneDrive library so that we know it's safe to download, you may PM a link to Caliber and he will have a look into it. But if it has anything to do with "cracking" the game, we will be steering clear of it.

That .dll file is replacing a Microsoft directx file, and is made by someone else, not us. It's released by a group that doesn't care if they get sued or break EULA for this game, and likely don't even have 'real names' that you know who they are. Further, you are 'accessing your folder' on Gamepass, then YOU take responsibility for what happens when you change folder permissions and wreck your computer or your entire Windows Store. Windows Store and Gamepass folders are separated and for reasons that the DRM and the way Microsoft chose to have their store stuff be isolated and protected on your own computer. We dont' and won't be making a trainer that messes with all of that.

If someone here wants to make a separate thread on how to UNLOCK and CHANGE PERMISSIONS of the Windows Store folders, and try what you are doing, then so be it. I can make the trainer look for the game .exe, but we won't be sending a trainer out that works for Gamepass that has .dll's or any folder protection mods.

IF the game has anticheats and requires FILES TO BE PUT INTO THE DIRECTORY, then a public company like ours that has legal obligations and ramifications is not going to be messing around with those sorts of games.

Note that it would take a simple coding for the developers to kill that .dll method, or even the way we do it, which took a lot of time and reversing and skill to come up with. If that happens, then this game is DOA.

I wish I had better news, but there are reasons why we don't do things. We want cheathappens to be around another 20 years, like it has been. And we've been around that long because we know what we are doing, and when to do what.

best,
Cal

Here's the problem in a nutshell.

1 game has anticheat thread that gets created almost instantly when the game is launched. It detects many things, but basically this thread runs along side your game and uses up CPU cycles and crashes the game if it detects something, like coding changes to the game in memory, etc.

2 the .dll is loaded into memory, if its used, when the game calls for that .dll to be loaded into memory. It's named the same as the actual authentic directx .dll that is SUPPOSED to be loaded. This other .dll is basically getting loaded BEFORE the code that starts the anti cheat thread starts and it prevents that thread from starting or closes it. Whether or not it loads the directx file it's replaceing after that I have no idea. In fact I have no idea what else it does, because it's not coded by us, it's not from a legit game trainer source, and it could be doing 100 other things, like mining for bitcoin in the background. WHO KNOWS. It's your computer and your fault if you paste things like that and let them work on your computer.

3 our method stops the thread from starting in a different way, which we wont get into here, but doesn't disrupt ANY DRM, or block or modify ANY STEAM, DRM, or DIRECTX files.

4 BOTH the .dll or OUR METHOD require that you can place a file into the game directory. For STEAM, this is not an issue because the steam game folders are easily and readily accessed with no problems.

5 For GAMEPASS and WINDOWS STORE apps and games, they are placed in LOCKED FOLDERS that have special permissions, due to the fact these are linked to your Microsoft account and the DRM and the ability to play 'free' all the Gamepass files are part of Microsoft own scheme, and in fact you aren't supposed to be able to get to these files. They are placed in protected folders. SURE, you can use methods and ways to unprotect them, but don't be surprised if you do it wrong, or mess something up, or after an update or patch, that your changing these permissions has caused unfixable problems. You can literally have a brick computer in terms of not being able to access the apps, the store, or xbox, etc. and will need to literally install from scratch.

6 So for games like that where you HAVE to have a file in the folder to launch the game, WE aren't going to be supporting that or trying to provide support for you to experiment and blow up your Windows Store folders. We would have endless postings here, from people who just don't get it, or did the wrong thing, and now blaming us for their bricked computer.

7 We aren't using .dll method in this case, ESPECIALLY IN THE WINDOWS FOLDER, since it's faking to be an actual WINDOWS SYSTEM DIRECTX FILE, and doing so in protected WINDOWS STORE FOLDER. This just isn't something we are going to do.

I hope this helps explain. Gamepass and Windows Store games are different, in many ways, launched from protected folders, and often a pain in the A to work with or make normal trainers for that don't have anticheats, so you can imagine the annoyance of them in special cases.. like this one.

best,
Cal

Hi Cal,

Thank you very much for the detailed explanation for everyone to read and understand.

Just wanted to add something in reference to points 5 & 6. Microsoft has now made it so that the game files and directories are easily accessible and viewable like normal folders, and not that previous nonsense where users couldn't officially access them. Any user is able to access the game folders, similar to Steam installs etc. I am not sure if this information helps in creating a potential launcher being made for Game Pass versions of this game (and others that require a launcher). I am sure there are other factors at play that could potentially prevent a successful trainer being made.

I was just adding this in case this was the only reason holding you guys back. Either way, great job as always on everything you and the team do!

Have a good day.