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Locked Topic  game crash when using patch
PWizard  posted on Sep 25, 2009 9:20:08 AM - Report post

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What we have found so far is that when using a previous savegame, the game crashes EVEN WITH NO TRAINER PRESENT. I know that everyone is quick to blame a faulty trainer for the crashes, but that might not be the case here. We will continue to look for a solution, but if the programmers have intentionally added code to kill the game, it may take some time to trace it down. Of course this is all time that we could be using to create and update trainers for other games that other people are playing.

Also, just because this is a STEAM game does NOT mean that you have no choice in patching it. You can easily tell Steam not to update the game automatically or run in offline mode. We always recommend waiting for an updated trainer before updating your game.

PWizard  posted on Sep 25, 2009 11:14:26 AM - Report post

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New version of the trainer has been uploaded. Please check the readme for new instructions.


Caliber  posted on Sep 25, 2009 11:24:34 AM - Report post

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i want to clarify as well. you purchased a subscription here. there is no guarantee that we will make or patch the trainers for ANY game. if the outcome of one of our products is of no use to you or we cannot get it to function then we will pull it or we suggest you don't download or use it. this circumstance (pulling a trainer or something not working and left broken) would be very rare, however.

with that said, i spent many many hours on this game, probably more than some people have actually PLAYED the game, both since it's inception, and also during the EIGHTEEN times we patched this game when steam updated it. now these random crashes were not apparent when i tested the trainer because the problem is NEW and is not easily seen with simple testing, which we ask for USEFUL and UNEMOTIONAL feedback from the members to help in situations like this. as you may have seen when looking around, there aren't many trainers of any substance for this game, and none that i have seen that properly did the unlimited movement. there are reasons for this! i don't feel i deserved the rather rude comments from you and further i feel that you will not and have not found a better site for trainers and updates of the trainers ANYWHERE else. so here is what i have found:

1) the game patched and changed many code areas which isn't very quickly patched for us with the trainers

2) the old savegames from the previous version will crash EVEN WITHOUT THE TRAINER, especially if you had used the unlimited movement on units and they had alot of movement still left.

3) the new trainer would crash the game, even NEW games, but only after certain criteria were met, which takes time to figure out and was not apparent with quick testing that worked the 17 times before when we patched the trainer.

4) i had to completely change the trainer method of unlimited movement to prevent out of bounds checks and stack overflows as well as pointer overwrites due to the way the game stores movement data now. therefore you cannot move all the way across the entire map with one click any longer. you will have to move within the bounds of the unit and then move again over and over. this is the only solution i could come up with that *seems* stable and doesn't crash the game

5) i moved every unit type multiple times, moved inf. into ships, moved to new ports, unloaded, etc. all kinds of combinations, with no crashes. However, i did this from a brand new game started from scratch. As I said before, my previous game saves would crash the game when selecting/moving units EVEN WITH NO TRAINER ON OR APPLIED. so, i feel that this version of the trainer is stable enough for pwiz to post. is more crashes possible? i suppose, especially if you are using old savegame data. however, i checked it quite a bit now.


1) option is changed in it's function, read instructions
2) old savegames may crash game even without trainer
3) start a new game if you plan to use the trainer
4) we aren't perfect but we are damn close here. i appreciate the kind comments from those who messaged me. YOU are the reason we do this. at any rate, i don't mind constructive feedback and reports of problems. please keep the defamatory and rude comments to a minimum.
5) there is no guarantee that we will make a trainer for ANY game or update it for ANY patch that occurs for the game. we almost surely will, but in some instances this isn't always possible. we have and likely will pull trainers that don't function or get too much negative feedback. this is rare but we won't hesitate to do it.


trainer has been updated and (hopefully) fixed. PWIZ has uploaded latest trainer for download. please redownload the trianer and see if your crashing problems have stopped for unlimited movement;

[Edited by Caliber, 9/25/2009 11:46:20 AM]

Takeakah  posted on Sep 25, 2009 1:18:48 PM - Report post

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Thanks alot you guys for the effort. You really are the greatest. You have saved me more than once from being bored out of my mind
aqualeaf1986  posted on Sep 25, 2009 2:35:24 PM - Report post

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Excellent. The trainer works for me. Thanks a lot for the hard work.
nfp911  posted on Sep 26, 2009 12:25:13 AM - Report post

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works perfect, thanks alot
StanleyKrt  posted on Sep 26, 2009 6:06:42 AM - Report post

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by me it chrashes too!!! I tried reinstaling and updateing again... still not working... is these patch STEAM version or Direct2Drive? I would need STEAM trainer... :S HELP PLEASE!!!!
Caliber  posted on Sep 26, 2009 7:10:45 AM - Report post

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our trainer was made with the STEAM version of the game.

delete your trainer, clear your internet cache and redownload the trainer.

if it still doesn't work then:

1) does it crash immediately when you press F1?
2) do any options work?
3) check troubleshooting guide

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