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What have they done to KotOR?!
Jackal  posted on Nov 21, 2008 5:08:52 PM - Report post

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At first when the KotOR MMO project was announced I figured it would be something entirely separate from the series, not affecting the plot, characters, etc...and not ruin everything every KotOR fan holds dear- the compelling Story and Characters. But after gathering more info on it and realizing the scale of the whole bloody thing I was dead ass wrong.

In one fell swoop just like that KotOR was destroyed for me, and now as a former loyal fan of a series I held dear to my heart its over, 6 years later and its all over. I feel like I've been ripped off and am definetly gut-checked by this. LucasArts and Bioware have teamed up again to make not a KotOR III but a half-assed, prick job known as Star Wars: The Old Republic...What?! That was my first thought in disgust. In a nutshell the story will leap ahead 300 years leaving the era, characters, everything that was great about the series behind in a war with the real Sith that have struck from the Unknown Regions of space. Now before you say, "Hey, that doesn't sound so bad" remember they've left behind everything! Yeah that's right. No Revan, no Exile, no Carth, no Atton, and no continuation whatsoever! Everything that made the series what it is is gone, a half-assed bunch of writers decided to leave an already established and built-in era behind leaving everything totally unresolved. To get an idea how insane all this is it would be like after Halo2 they made Halo Wars in its place...not concluding Chiefs story leaving everything unfinished.

Why you ask? For one simple reason, the higher ups at Bioware and Lucas wanted to make an MMO together for years, that's it! Well that and the PC fanboys kept pushing more and more content... And just like that the best gaming franchise on the market is raped and destroyed before my eyes...what really infuriates me about all this is the fact this will be strickly an MMO for PC's and the loyal Xbox fanbase (which I might mention started it all for them) has been totally isolated. They've said a port isn't out of the question but even doing so remember its an MMO, meaning you'll have to be online to play it... Unless they design a single-player campaign (which they won't) then I and tons of other loyal fans are completely out of luck. I'm a very asocial gamer, I don't use online, if I want to play with someone I'll go to my buds place and we'll go at it in multiplayer, its just the way I am. That's where a large portion of the audience is going to be isolated, no online, tough luck...

Okay, so to give the game its justice (aside from my online byassed) I checked out the game on the website and the story, environment, everything made me want to vomit. It looks like a dumbed down version of the new and old Star Wars episodes, an Emperor, Imperials, Republic troopers, etc...and you'd think in this day and age the visuals would be top notch, nope, they are a diasgrace to KotOR, there making the whole universe look cartoony, with no real textures at all. What made KotOR so unique was they completely remade the universe from scratch and gave the era its own special feel not borrowing from the movies. This again makes me mad, I mean if they wanted to do this why didn't they just create another franchise aside from KotOR instead of destroying it all together.

Despite this atrocity commited by both parties it's my hope that the fans will want a continuation of the true series and after this debocle is made Lucas will give the fans what they want...its quite a longshot though, they've put a lot of money and manpower behind it, and this MMO won't be out for years, I think this is it for KotOR. All this time all this waiting for this half-assed piece of Makes me want to puke...in my opinion Lucas should've left Obsidian alone and let them finish KotOR II right then given the third game over to them and let them finish what they began in KotOR II, and in true Star Wars fashion in three Episodes Revans story would be told, then move on to the future of the franchise.

But no, instead we get this If it ain't broke Lucas, don't fix it! Idiots...this may have just seemed like a fanboy rant but I needed to get this off my chest for my own sanity, in anycase I'm done with KotOR. Done with hoping for the future, done with waiting in the wings just done altogether. I still will pay tribute to the first two games and remember them for what they were when Lucas did things right...but like I said as for the future of the franchise I'm finished with KotOR for good.

I'll say it once more for the cheap seats Lucas, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" Follow this link to the end of KotOR Link

[Edited by Jackal, 12/24/2008 5:55:01 PM]

dstates  posted on Nov 21, 2008 10:25:35 PM - Report post

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well...i could attempt to explain how ****ed off i am, but i think you covered it...
malyg  posted on Nov 22, 2008 10:59:04 AM - Report post

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Gotta be ****ting me... I'll probably still get it, but damn. They messed up big time... not much else for me to say unless I repeat your speech
Modokai  posted on Nov 24, 2008 5:50:23 AM - Report post

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I just checked out the site... Disgusting... I think I'll stick to Phantasy Star Universe for MMO and KotOR/II for RPG.
Jackal  posted on Dec 19, 2008 3:42:22 PM - Report post

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Thanks for the support guys, there's a very small KotOR community here, just wanted to get the word out...even if it does shatter everything.

I've heard a stark rumor that a KotOR III isn't completely out of the question (as there leaping ahead a thousand years with the story) after The Old Republic is made but realistically when you look at it it's a pipe dream...unless the fans cause an uproar then I don't see it happening.

I've calmed down since then but as a whole I'm done with the future of KotOR, it's community, everything. Lucas and Bioware will soon discover they've put all their eggs in one basket and it'll bomb horribly.

If Lucas are going to isolate their fanbase like this and keep the waiting train going they don't deserve me as a fan...moved on completely.

pheephee  posted on Dec 24, 2008 4:21:52 PM - Report post

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what?! those are two of my favorite games and i have been waiting all this time to see what happens next, a third one, and we get this ?!!! i say we start a riot! who's with me!?

and yes, i agree with you jackal, i'm done with them.

erwin_rommel  posted on Dec 25, 2008 10:41:25 AM - Report post

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thats frickin ridiculous! i'm in a dark place now.....
lucyblue  posted on Dec 25, 2008 11:02:14 AM - Report post

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I never thought that making a KOTOR MMO was that great of an idea in the first place, but I think you're over reacting.

First of all, what would you suggest? They just replicate SWG and have the original signature characters be mere mission contacts? In an MMO, you can't play a signature character or have a team made up of signature characters. It doesn't work like that. Otherwise, everyone would run around as Revan or Bastilla.

Do you have any idea how old the Ebon Hawk is? I garauntee you it'll still be functional and in the hands of some NPC. Either that, or it'll have been crashed and left to rust on some backwater planet for you to discover. In SWG, HK-47 was still around, and that's thousands of years later. And SWG wasn't even a Bioware project. So you'd better believe he'll be somewhere in the new MMO. I garauntee you that you'll be able to pry story line secrets about what happened from him.

As for not wrapping up the original story, have you ever played an MMO? MMOs tend to be loaded with backstory, lore, etc. If you think for one second that they wouldn't wrap it up either by having you being able to discover locations and information on your own, or by having missions that lead you on and investigation, then you're a fool. Seriously, dude, calm the hell down. You're getting way too reactionary and emotional about this. I for one think KOTOR is doomed to fail, but for none of the reasons you're suggesting.

I think it's doomed to fail, because of two very pragmatic reasons.

1: All the fanboys going "OMG! KOTOR MMO! STAR WARS MMOS ARE REDEEMED! IT'lL BE THE BEST GAME EVAR!" are going to hype the game up so much that when the game comes out, they're going to be disappointed.

2: It's an MMO based on a pop culture series. So far the only two I'm aware have been released are Star Wars Galaxies and the Matrix Online. Ultimately, they both failed miserably.

Other pop culture based MMOs which I predict will ultimately fail the fans and cause them to become disillusioned are:

Star Trek Online
Stargate Worlds
DC Comics Online
Marvel Online (provided the project ever gets resurrected)

If it's pop culture, fanboys and fangirls will hype it up. The studios in control of the series will attempt to wrestle creative control from the developers with experience that know what the hell they're doing and thus dumb it down.

[Edited by lucyblue, 12/25/2008 11:02:57 AM]

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