yea, that was just an example, one that D_R couldnt answer
Christ on a bike, you are unbelievable (no, not god).
One Fact of Creation through Evolution:
Fossils have been found, of animals and humans, varying in pre-evolved states.
Theres your fact.
"Miracles aren't proof of god exists, they are proof scientists dont know everything yet"
^Did you happen to miss this part? Or are you not reading properly?
Time travel is just as believable as some being no one can prove exists
You cant honestly say that miracles aren't something man made from the future, as you have already accepted that something from today would be a miracle 2000 years ago. So something 2000 years from now brought back to today, can be a miracle to us, but with a logical explanation.
Scientists 2000 years ago would be able to tell a computer is man made, yes, but sending electronic messages via cables and all that? no way. They'd say its a miracle.
Since you refuse to continue the debate you started, then I accept your surrender.
Besides, this was a topic for opinions, but like always, you have to try and convince other people to have the same opinion as you. Just next time have your say, discuss some points you dont quite understand from someone elses opinion, and dont challenge anyone, otherwise you'll have another huge debate. Which no one really wants.
Seeing on how I can see that you guys are not wanting to learn and hear more, I more or less give up.
It would be a different story if you wanted to debate and argue, (which is what I was hoping for.) I like debating.
But to finsih up...-
"You cant honestly say that miracles aren't something man made from the future"
Yes I can...there are miracles that science OR using time travel can't explain. The image of Mary was just one miracle is which you used the absurd theory of someone traveling from the furture to the 1500's with this image.
But I ask of you, what was that purpose of the perosn in the future doing that? What did he have to gain? The answer is nothing which is why it didn't happen.
""Miracles aren't proof of god exists, they are proof scientists dont know everything yet""
The only other logical explanation is time travel. I already explained just explained this though.
"Since you refuse to continue the debate you started, then I accept your surrender."
By all means, I'd LOVE to continue and debate. But this is getting tired and frustrating.
I'm up for it if you're up for it.
To tell you the truth, I can't see a future with this topic, it looks like no one is going to agree with the other.
[Edited by darkish_raven, 10/25/2006 7:27:15 PM]
You question what someone has to gain from going back in time and leaving something we'd consider a miracle, but the reality is there are people who would do that. Someone would want to make history, even if they weren't remembered for it, they'd still want to cause a big fuss like with the picture of Mary. it's like why do murder's murder? there are many answers, its all on the indivudual.
Of course, im not saying time travel is the answer, jsut a possibility that cant be ruled out, and in my opinion just as likely as any other possibilty
I'm not going to try and debate in topics like these as in these type things you can never change the other persons mind. Sometimes they can even brake into arguments which are never good.
We need a good debate about something of today, like in England there is a show called Muslims and free speech. I'm not saying we should do it over that, but it is just an idea.
Maybe we could have an debate over free speech, like does it exit nowadays?
Pro Life VS Pro Death (a.k.a pro choice)
The War in Iraq
Religion VS Religion
And countless more! (Not really, my mind is drawing a blank..)
see, if scientist dont understand something yet...it doesnt in any way mean its a miracle...or time travel!!
i mean...thats just an idiotic childish answer.....like, thats like saying scientists in this day and age are as smart as they ever will be!...scientists are discovering different and compltely new things every day!.....like, a hundred years ago...the microwave oven wasnt even thought about...it wasnt even a faint idea.....if someone said "yeh, i can heat up water so hot that i can make it boil in a matter of minutes with invisible rays" people would call him crazy and all sorts of things....but, eventually, someone made the microwave, and, it seems a pretty simple idea......so....if there was someone who was very smart...years ahead in the development of things, and, he made a microwave 100 years ago...people would look at it and call it a miracle.....but its not...
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