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    cernar posted on Apr 04, 2018 10:27:21 AM - Report post
     
    Anyone have tips for bots grabbing tomes/grims and holding onto them?

    I can get them to grab tomes but they drop them for health items lowering the loot ranks =/ and they refuse to pick up grims every time.

    Also, can heroic deeds be done safely single player/private game?

    [Edited by cernar, 4/4/2018 10:28:18 AM]
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    A7IE posted on Apr 05, 2018 9:55:10 AM - Report post
     
    So what i tend to do is play a range class, and if they drop a tome for a hp pot, shoot them down with friendly fire in higher difficulties, they'll use the hp pot pick the tome back up and then re-enable party health and should be fine, then just repeat if need be, grims not sure on and really i just pick one up
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    cernar posted on Apr 05, 2018 10:04:06 AM - Report post
     
    Good plan, heroic deeds can be done just need to be solo in the keep when you start.
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    shoe7ess2 posted on Apr 06, 2018 10:10:09 PM - Report post
     
    Don't use unlimited ammo, if they pick up a pot with it active they will have it for the rest of the game until they die for good.
    If farming for chests, use handmaiden and spam her ability, you can get done with against the grain (barring extra specials spawning) in about 7 minutes on the highest difficulty.
    If going for exp, use a class with an aoe stun/knockback. While spamming these abilities, bots will not pick up anything so long as you are spamming it, so spam and walk if you get near an unbskippable health spot.
    If on recruit/vet (no FF) temporarily turn off inf health and if they still don't drink it and no more mobs are spawning, find something to jump off for fall damage and the bots will follow, and usually teleport back up and jump again, if they fall over, they'll use it on revive, otherwise they'll use their pots.

    Keep in mind if marcus is in your group as a bot (good choice is his starting careers ability) his aiblity will give temp health, which will keep the bots from using their pots even with no green showing under their name. just kill mobs so he stops spamming it and the bots will drink after
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    shoe7ess2 posted on Apr 07, 2018 10:00:56 PM - Report post
     
    quote:
    originally posted by shoe7ess2

    Don't use unlimited ammo, if they pick up a pot with it active they will have it for the rest of the game until they die for good.
    If farming for chests, use handmaiden and spam her ability, you can get done with against the grain (barring extra specials spawning) in about 7 minutes on the highest difficulty.
    If going for exp, use a class with an aoe stun/knockback. While spamming these abilities, bots will not pick up anything so long as you are spamming it, so spam and walk if you get near an unbskippable health spot.
    If on recruit/vet (no FF) temporarily turn off inf health and if they still don't drink it and no more mobs are spawning, find something to jump off for fall damage and the bots will follow, and usually teleport back up and jump again, if they fall over, they'll use it on revive, otherwise they'll use their pots.

    Keep in mind if marcus is in your group as a bot (good choice is his starting careers ability) his aiblity will give temp health, which will keep the bots from using their pots even with no green showing under their name. just kill mobs so he stops spamming it and the bots will drink after

    Mod deleted my previous post because I swore too much due to the auto-tagging system the forums use making me lose multiple paragraphs of response due to too much formatting, and the formatting came from the CH formatting of my original post being edited and nothing to do with what I was adding.

    Anywho, bots will not pick up grimoires unless a mod like IAmLupo's comes around that changes the behavior via lua scripting (this trainer will not be able to solve this as it edits memory and not scripting, otherwise we'd have way more options by now).

    The reason they will not pick up grims is because if you've noticed, they pick up everything. They've even found tomes I was unaware of that were nearby for me in the past. Now look into the eye of someone playing legit on Champion. The top tier (and sometimes the one below) difficulties and those that play in them always make the choice about how many grims to pick up (based on the experience and ability of the group). If picking up both grims is a guaranteed one-shot (which is usually the case on the highest difficulty), you do not want bots picking these up and making the difficulty that much harder. Not to mention they can no longer hold pots for those that need them if this is the case.

    What would be nice though is if the trainer added a the option to give the player 3 tomes, 2 grims, and 3 loot die from the start of the match, which is very possible via memory editing, to guarantee a decent chest at the end.

    I ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
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    Maaruk posted on Apr 08, 2018 3:45:40 AM - Report post
     
    I think the best option is, to go thorugh the levels with a fast char and don't try to pick everything up. It costs too much time to kill the both, so they can drink their potions.

    I really like the map "Against the grain", there you can be through in 8 Minutes with a fast char. I normally just run through the level, pick the grim at the Mill, the Tome at the start and the let the Bots take the Tome in the river. Sometimes they take a healing item instead, then I will just leave it like that. If I try to get all 3 Tomes I will likely need 20 Minutes for that run, just too troublesome.

    The best chars for that are in this order (my opinion):

    Bardin as Slayer - Jump (fast)
    Sienna as Battle Wizard - Fire Walk (fast)
    Saltspire as Zealot - Dash (really fast, can be blocked)
    Waywalker as Handmaiden - Dash (really fast, can be blocked)
    Waywalker as Shade - Stealth (slow but unblockable)
    Kruber as Huntsman - Stealth (really slow but unblockable)

    GL farming 🙂

    [Edited by Maaruk, 4/8/2018 3:58:39 AM]
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    shoe7ess2 posted on Apr 08, 2018 10:50:36 AM - Report post
     
    quote:
    originally posted by Maaruk

    I think the best option is, to go thorugh the levels with a fast char and don't try to pick everything up. It costs too much time to kill the both, so they can drink their potions.

    I really like the map "Against the grain", there you can be through in 8 Minutes with a fast char. I normally just run through the level, pick the grim at the Mill, the Tome at the start and the let the Bots take the Tome in the river. Sometimes they take a healing item instead, then I will just leave it like that. If I try to get all 3 Tomes I will likely need 20 Minutes for that run, just too troublesome.

    The best chars for that are in this order (my opinion):

    Bardin as Slayer - Jump (fast)
    Sienna as Battle Wizard - Fire Walk (fast)
    Saltspire as Zealot - Dash (really fast, can be blocked)
    Waywalker as Handmaiden - Dash (really fast, can be blocked)
    Waywalker as Shade - Stealth (slow but unblockable)
    Kruber as Huntsman - Stealth (really slow but unblockable)

    GL farming 🙂

    [Edited by Maaruk, 4/8/2018 3:58:39 AM]

    Definitely this.
    The best farming level without a doubt. Personally I'd Waystalker over Shade due to being able to spam trueshoot and kill basically everything you see as (and sometimes don't see) while maintaining stride, but I personally always go handmaiden for the speed. This level is great because the tomes and grim are almost all on the way through the level and like you said can be finished incredibly fast (my quickest is around 6:40 by using the console trick to move during camera cutscene so i can spam handmaidens ult and clip through the wheelbarrow so by the time the overview cam finishes you are at the first barn. I personally get all three tomes in case I get a die which usually knocks up the chest to the next level.
    Also there are ways to manipulate where the bots teleport to (spamming handmaidens ult makes them teleport like crazy), so the two areas with guaranteed health (the area before the ladder leading to the locked barn and at the windmill with the general bridge). I generally get to the straightaway to the ladder, let the bots get around me, and get halfway to the ladder, then spam ult and as soon as i'm up the ladder spam ult until I'm at the grimoire barn, which will teleport the bots from before the health pots to said barn.

    As far as the windmill bridge with the general inside and second guaranteed health spot i dont use the ult after getting up the hill so the bots stay busy spamming their abilities on the mobs it's easy enough to get past that L turn in two ult moves, then spam until you are at the first locked cage and forcing the bots to teleport from just before the health pickups to the locked cage.

    After that, bob's your uncle as they say as there will likely be no more health items on the way through the level close enough for a bot to get, especially if spamming handmaiden ult, unless you check the chest in the final barn, it spawns a pot (hasn't happened for me ever but it's RNG unless that chest just -can't- spawn health items), however I ult to that room from the part where you jump down so the bots dont make it into that room by the time you're up the ladder and at the bottom two cages.

    Everyone has "their" their method though, and that's just mine. Maaruk's advice is definitely adviseable and I can't think of a better level than against the grain to farm for either xp or chests. Best thing you can do is experiment. You'll find tactics that just plan suck and may take you 30 minutes to finish a level (or more if you want to power level a character you haven't started yet on champion because any special that spawns will take awhile to kill unless you get lucky with a bomb and can use infinite ammo (which I only ever use if no bot has picked up a healing item so they don't get infinite ones), then specials go down after like 10 bombs or so (dunno, never counted, just know it drops bosses and specials pretty fast). Point being experiment, learn from mistakes, learn what works, and learn how to save time first and foremost. If you don't bother with chests, one/two tomes and one grim can give you the same chest as three tomes and a grim depending on the blessing boost.

    I ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been.
    Spiral out... keep going...
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