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Monkey007  posted on Mar 15, 2012 4:53:29 AM - Report post

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I picked the 'Destroy the Reapers' option. I'd sooner kill myself rather than 'become' a synthetic... Shepard being partially synthetic is the only acceptable form of synthesis that I would accept.

Even though I chose all Paragon options successfully Anderson still died at the end, after a short sit-down with Shep. Then, after the ending cinematic, I see a small part of Shepard and he all of sudden inhales.
To me, that can only mean one thing and one thing only: Shepard, is alive. I doubt Bioware would show this just to go: "THAT WAZ HIS LAST BREATH!"... Shepard's alive and he will not die. BELIEVE IT!

And the indoctrination thing is false, imo. Maybe the catalyst somehow joined his conscious with Shepard to give him these visions, or maybe Shepard just envisions the Catalyst as the boy like he envisioned the Geth consesus... as something familiar.

 
Skyheart  posted on Mar 15, 2012 5:31:59 AM - Report post

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Unfortunately, Anderson dies no matter what you do. The only difference you can make is when he dies. If you can't persuade TIM to stand down or get the interrupt in time, TIM will kill Anderson, otherwise he'll have the talk with Shep but ultimately die anyway from Shep shooting him in the gut.
 
Drakonis  posted on Mar 15, 2012 6:06:20 AM - Report post

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Still don't buy the indoctrination.

If he was indoctrinated, Shep have gone for the option the Reapers wanted him to go for, just like TIM, just like every other person ever indoctrinated.

If he had gone for the destroy option despite being indoctrinated, whichever Reaper was watching over the whole thing could have wiped that hole section out with a swipe of its main weapon before he got near it.

Saying something is this or isn't that at the moment is silly. No one knows for certain except the guys who made the game. Insider information or not, since the last time anyone quoted inside information they were wrong due to supposed "last minute changes."

Of course we don't know right now, but there are lots of little hints for people to speculate. One way or the other I still love the game and I have no hatred or animosity towards Bioware because I was somewhat disappointed in the ending.

In regards to the indoctrination theory, if Shepard chooses synthesis or control he becomes indoctrinated. If he chooses destroy, he is not indoctrinated which is why you see him back on Earth in the rubble taking a breath. This seems to indicate he never was on the Citadel and it was attempted indoctrination.

I've always seen it as the implication being for the control or synthesis ending, Shepard has to give his own life to merge with the Crucible to start the process. Can't become indoctrinated if you're dead.

Though, to be honest, in every ending the Reapers lose. Destroy = they're all destroyed, Synthesis = all synthetics get merged with organics = essentially the Reapers cease to exist, and control = Shepard, or whatever he becomes, gains control over the Reapers, so again they lose.

It'd be kind of silly to indoctrinate the guy then offer him three choices in which they lose every time.

But he is never on the Citadel, the reapers are never destroyed, the destroy option shows this as his body is in the rubble of London after the beam attack from Harbinger. That is why the attempted indoctrination theory does make sense, IF Bioware did it that way.

The reapers are just trying to get you to choose the synthesis or control option because if you do you become indoctrinated with your body still on Earth. If you choose destroy which the reapers are trying to convince you not to do you defeat their attempts at indoctrination. All the while though you are still on Earth, everything is in your mind.

 
Skyheart  posted on Mar 15, 2012 6:15:36 AM - Report post

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I pointed this out in another post. The only proof being offered about Shep never being on the Citadel is that clip showing him breathing back on Earth.

Why is it so easy to believe that he was instantly transported up to the Citadel from London, but not that he could have been transported back down just as easily before the destruction of the Citadel?

 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Mar 15, 2012 6:21:23 AM - Report post

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Still like the Shepard indoctrinated idea.
 
Skyheart  posted on Mar 15, 2012 6:29:06 AM - Report post

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We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I already wrote two massive posts a few pages back, so anything I say is just going to be me repeating myself, which I hate to do.

As I said, if it turns out to be an indoctrinated delusion I'm not going to complain as long as they can do it well. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, but until then, I'm sticking by my own interpretation of the ending.

 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Mar 15, 2012 7:33:46 AM - Report post

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We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I already wrote two massive posts a few pages back, so anything I say is just going to be me repeating myself, which I hate to do.

As I said, if it turns out to be an indoctrinated delusion I'm not going to complain as long as they can do it well. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, but until then, I'm sticking by my own interpretation of the ending.

And you call me delusional!

 
Skyheart  posted on Mar 15, 2012 7:44:26 AM - Report post

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We're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I already wrote two massive posts a few pages back, so anything I say is just going to be me repeating myself, which I hate to do.

As I said, if it turns out to be an indoctrinated delusion I'm not going to complain as long as they can do it well. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, but until then, I'm sticking by my own interpretation of the ending.

And you call me delusional!

Yes. Yes I do.

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