I'm pretty sure this isn't the last we've seen/heard of the 2 clowns, though.
"Congress cannot stand by and do nothing while American innovators and job creators are under
Oh, wow. I never knew the American congress was so... sweet!
If you truly believe that the pirates are the ones that will take the brunt of such a legislation, or even that they are the primary target - I feel sorry for your ignorance.
To enable companies with profit interests as sole focus, to get court orders, without any real fuzz, against anyone they deem have intruded on their Copyright claims (which can be pretty much anyone; "Oh, look, they almost showed the Apple logo in a tiny picture of something completely unrelated on that page - shut them down" (Oops, forgot to mention the site is a threat to us competition-wise, but hey-ho.)) is not out of proportion. It *IS* a threat to proper justice. (Who should be served on those who actually deserve it, no doubts there.)
Have you even for one second considered that the Internet cannot be ruled by a US legislation? The Internet is not a US 'thing', mind you. No matter how much the politicians and obsolete record and movie companies want it to be so. (So they can pass legislations like this and enforce them without mercy.)
Fortunately, the rest of the world is starting to get powerful and noisy enough to actually affect Americans (no small feat!) and their politicians - keep this up and they might actually adapt to the world around them instead of expecting the rest of the world to adapt to them.
For comparison this would be like hunting a single criminal ant with a nuclear missile, not caring about the millions of other ants that will perish, or the fact that the criminal ant is smart enough to hide far enough underground.
Oh, and for the love of everything in this world - all of you anti-pirate preachers;
It's not as simple as pirate = bad. (While it's not the same as pirate = good.) As long as you're not at the bottom of that flow-chart, YOU'RE NOT HURTING THE INDUSTRY.
[Edited by PeTTs0n, 1/20/2012 9:28:55 PM]
I agree with most of what you said, except the last bit.
When it comes to music, if you download a song, you're probably costing the record labels... what? 25p/c? Which is nothing compared to the millions they make from record sales (and it's been proven over and over again that music (and movie) piracy is certainly blown out of proportion - the labels still make huge profits every year). As do movies, even though they cost excesses more than games to make, they get sales from the cinemas as well as post-release sales in far more widely available formats than games.
However, when it comes to games I believe it's a different kettle of fish. We're not talking about 25p/c a game, we're talking about a product which has cost millions of pounds/dollars/insertcurrencyhere to make, and millions of man hours, (and on a platform which developers are increasingly moving away from in terms of the PC; more often than not we'll just getting a crappy port than a true labour of love as in the "golden age" of PC gaming). In the games industry, pirate certainly does equal bad, especially when you consider that the sales figures and profits will more than likely decide the future of a game, a franchise, or even the developer itself. You can't say that about a band or Hollywood.
But I suppose that's my own personal opinion, and those we're entitled to have without some daft legislation.
I really do agree with Skyheart,the gaming industry does cost unreal amounts of cash to make and the same goes for movies,music well thats a grey area for me, its great money if you can make it along with the fame.$$$$$$$
When we all sit back in the end ita all about this $$$$$$$$$ and those who are making these big bucks want even more its called GREED as we all know, and if it means trying to control and censor the internet for the advantages of this $$$$$$$ then to all our fellow gamers we are in the long run doomed to pay whatever price is demanded.
to finish off Neo7 has put a great and informative piece of information about all this Piracy etc well worth reading
Had you been using their servers, i.e. a service that actually costs money to maintain and provide, we're more closing in on stealing than just pirating. But then again, most pirated products try to sever such connections (and let the retail users suffer from shaky server stability on top of it all, whoopee!).
It's sad to see so many people believe that a pirated copy of movie/CD/game/application X is equal to a theft, or a guaranteed lost income for the company that produces it. The world isn't that black and white, even if it's simpler to believe it is sometimes.
Due to medical reasons I was out of a job a while back, earned basically zero money, and thus had no money to give the software/music/movie producers, no matter how much I wanted to.
I had a lot of time, and decided to try out a few games, Mass Effect 1 being one of them. (I was pretty skeptical beforehand, with the hype being pretty high.) That lead to me singing the Mass Effect series', Bioware's, EA's praises, and later purchasing not only Mass Effect 1 and it's strategy guide (thanks Prima!), but ME2 CE and the strategy guide CE. (Got a preorder for ME3 CE as well.)
All this due to one single pirated game. They've earned money on me. Money that they might not have earned otherwise.
Bottom line is a little bit like; if they blame piracy so much, why are people still buying PC games (mainly)? They're readily available on the net, and yet there's still a huge PC games market. It's very contradictory. So far, most of their methods to fight the ones at the bottom of the shown flow-chart affects all of them, even the ones that only legitimately purchase the game. (Copy protections do affect legit customers. Anno 2070 is a splendid example.) If being very shallow, one might assume that they're only out to squeeze out as much money as possible from mediocre products, just because people don't get a chance to try them. But that could *never* be possible, now could it...?
All I'm asking is for people to think with their own mind, not the one the corporations are handing them. Be critical, study, assess, seek information beyond all the public nonsense. What you do with that information is of course up to you - but think.
And I must say there's a lot of interesting thinking - great reading all of the posts here whether or not I agree with them. Puts a perspective on things, and shows that there are all kinds of people in this little world, thinking in very different ways. (Thank heavens for that.) Even if I seem harsh in debating, I respect your opinions to 100%, and I would die defending your right to have them, even if I do not agree with them.
[Edited by PeTTs0n, 1/21/2012 4:29:01 AM]
MegaUpload went down partly because of all the illegally hosted content and partly because of the sheer amount of money they made from it. For example, the company spent $8 million on yacht rentals. It was taken down after a two year FBI investigation. If they were just hosting files innocently and not making so much money from it then they'd be left alone, but it was common knowledge that MegaUpload and MegaVideo were FULL of illegally hosted content.
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