General Discussions

Even though Steam/Blizzard are Banning people for using Trainers in single player mode and are using that information from your personal PC in your home that to me is an Invasion of my Privacy,its nobody's business what i do with my PC as long as i do not break the Law and The EULA is a load of nonsense when it comes to using Trainers or cheats off-line, legally i think they would lose the battle if these cases went to court.

They would not because of the EULA and TOS that's presented to the user prior to installation and logging into Battle.Net. Nobody ever reads what they agree to these days.

Yeah Neo7 you are dead right nobody reads the EULA's lol for a start i would need to be a lawyer lol to really understand all that jargon,but you my friend i have noticed are one of the few that really understands all that jargon,and its a great thing that you are on Cheat Happens side of the fence and i read a great deal of your comments and reactions so keep up the good work Neo7 well done.

There is/has been an issue with TOS/EULAs being presented before installation in order to use the product in conjunction with the return policies of most software retailers. Basically, in a nutshell, say I do not agree to the EULA/TOS...I cannot use a product for which I paid, but I can't return it because in order to read the EULA/TOS I had to open the packaging. It then conflicts with contract laws regarding QoS/the back-out clauses in that if I choose to back out, I am not obligated to pay/I am entitled a refund. I believe that the way the software companies get around this is that they claim that you fulfilled a portion of the sales contract by opening the product, which represents an initial desire to use the product. I think that most software manufacturers will issue a refund if you send them proof of purchase, reason for not agreeing to TOS/EULA, and the product and packaging but don't quote me on that...I believe that they refund you more because its easier to do that then fight with a customer.

This Tos/EULA is a real Black Hole for us gamers,all we want is clear cut and understandable Tos/Eula and not 5 miles long and simple to read, then far more people may read these and understand a little more,but no these company's make life hard for legal reasons, and simplicity has no place in our lives regarding these games,and yes in the UK if we don't agree to the Tos/Eula you could return it to the store,the downside is like you have said once that very thin cellophane has been removed its very hard to take back,also would that store be inclined to sell you another game in the future,either way this Black Hole just gets darker and darker for us gamers.

These days? You mean people actually read those things at some point?
Out of the whole entire population with PCs on Earth, I doubt more than 10 % read the Read Me.

Though admittedly you are right, the source of those problems lay in that. A lot of crap concerning in-game problems is covered and stems from the Read Me.

[Edited by AdmiralAckbar, 12/4/2011 10:49:38 AM]

The ToS/EULA has been a problem for years now. They purposely do stuff like that so that there is nothing you can do. They know you don't read the EULA/ToS so they can put whatever they want with it and get away with it because we agreed to their terms. And it will keep happening until the end of time [Because gaming will not die before time does ].

Actually the EULA is not worth anything, or the virtual paper it is written on, since its not a binding contract. A contract is when both parties are in contact and agree on a specific idea or value for a job/item.

Understandably changing game code to bypass protections etc is very much frowned upon in the legal world, but using a trainer or cheat device is not and never has been (except for online play then its the people who own the server you play on that can make the judgement)

The only time it will be frowned upon is when there is a reward for playing, such as achievements etc that gain an advantage in online play.