Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight Discussion
The simple fact that CH provides this service, then takes the time to make sure that they are ONLY usable in singleplayer, and refuse to release them for multiplayer speaks volumes also. Please show the staff at CH the proper respect they deserve reguardless of where you are from. They are providing us a service that is second to none.
[Edited by Trilogy3337, 3/26/2010 8:23:41 PM]
By all due respect.
Whining "it does not work" is not only OK but logical for people that actually PAY for something. It's true. The site is unique and it does provide a high quality service. And the price is also low for the quality they provide. No arguing there.
People pay to get trainers. Trainers that work. Not to come online to be lectured about moral standards and what is right or wrong. Or how they should praise the coders for things they do for them. The coders will be honored the most by users paying for the service they provide. And if they decide the service is too low they will rise the it. If lots of people will be happy they will join the community and pay. If not they will flame it and seek trainers elsewhere. Which means opportunity for some other coders out there. Simple and basic market rules. If a user of this site feels like he/she should thank then he/she would do that without anyone forcing them. It's logical that trainers can't work on all releases all the time. Trainer is made for original game. That's it. If you use a cracked one that is your own personal decision. But doing so you must realize that the trainer may either crash a game or not work at all. And again it's logical to me that a kid of age 12-14 is whining about it. Or don't you agree with me on that ?
IMHO CH or it's users should not become a "moral cop" in such cases. As it should not forget what it's primary and main goal is. To provide quality trainers for people that pay for such services. That's why most of us pay either annual fee or unl. And CH should try and please it's customers which after all pay for the service. If people won't find working trainer here they will go and look for it elsewhere. We are customers here. And although there SHOULD be rules i still think it's not appropriate for this site or users to be harsh in responses to it's customers or other users. Also don't forget you are mostly dealing with kids. And yes they do need things explained 100 times. But those are the kids that pay the bills. Not some kindergarden monkeys you could slap arround freely. It is only a matter of time before some other coder realize and sees the potential in such service. And trust me people then will remember how you treated them in the past. I know i would.
Piracy is a serious issue and a crime. It's stealing. Nothing less than that. But we do have other services that deal with this issue (how good they are is another topic all together) But again IMHO things are not as black and white as many would like to point out. And again IMHO CH should try and make it's customers either happy or apologize for not being able to provide such service. Yes apologize although it's far from being the fault of coders. Why ? Because i think customers too not only coders deserve respect no matter the age. And a simple Sorry we can not provide such service Or Sorry we do not support pirated games would just do. No more or less is needed. Or simply a link to a page explaining the policy of the site and pirated games in reply to such questions or "it does not work" whining.
Yes site is unique it offers high quality service. But it is so not only because of the coders but also the users that pay for such service. If no users no money no quality trainers. Simple enough ? I think so. And if they ask for something in large numbers wouldn't be prudent and logical to try and give them what they ask for ? If possible. It's up to you to decide such things. If not then a simple sorry we apologize but no can do would suffice. No need for "you are the criminal" lecture. Mostly couse it WON'T DO ANY GOOD at all.
That is how i see things. I apologize in advance if i have insulted anyone of you. It was not my intention. I tried to be as diplomatic as i know how to be. Best regards to you all.
As far as being "harsh" in my responses, I apologize if it comes across as this, but I grow tired of repeating myself 100 times and also being slammed with unreasonable complaints and negative feedback on a daily basis. I guess negativity breeds negativity and believe me I am filled to the brim with it.
The bottom line is that we do our best to support ALL versions of a game, including SCENE, RETAIL, STEAM, D2D, GAMERSGATE, IMPULSE, etc. You'll find no other group or website doing the same. It's a royal pain in the ass and we could probably make 3 times the amount of trainers if all we cared about was the SCENE or REAL version of the games. So please don't lecture me about our support or how we treat our customers. We do all that we do FOR our customers. If we truly didn't care then we'd release 2-3 trainers a month and be done with it, not busting our ass to release 40-50 trainers and updates every month.
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