LOGIN  .  SIGNUP   .  REWARDS   .  SUPPORT 
/ / / / WARNING FOR SSD USERS - DENUVO KILLS SSD

Dragon Age III: Inquisition Discussion

Dragon Age III: Inquisition Trainer

Message Board for PC version

Signup   Message Boards Home   Newest Posts   My Favorite Boards   My Threads
Page 12 of 13   •  First Page  •  Previous Page  •   Next Page  •   Last Page
Signup or Login to Post
Warning for SSD users - Denuvo kills SSD
 
Trencher  posted on Dec 11, 2014 8:53:38 PM - Report post

Current rank: 1 Star. Next Rank at 100 Posts.
Send a message to Trencher
ELITE
This has been proven to be bull... I even spoke to a friend of mine who worked on the game and got his take on it..

 
Stormsguard  posted on Dec 11, 2014 9:22:47 PM - Report post

Current rank: 1 Star. Next Rank at 100 Posts.
Send a message to Stormsguard
ELITE
While it's not an SSD killer, it does seem to introduce some performace issues, and more than the 5% claimed by the developers
 
PeTTs0n  posted on Dec 11, 2014 10:21:13 PM - Report post

Current rank: 1.5 Stars. Next Rank at 500 Posts.
Send a message to PeTTs0n
SAGE
quote:
originally posted by Toki

quote:
originally posted by PeTTs0n

quote:
originally posted by DABhand

quote:
originally posted by DM242

erhm or the copy protection is encrypted/hidden so that it wont be easy to dismantle?


As i understand it its a DRM for DRMs. O.o

[Edited by DM242, 11/22/2014 4:54:40 PM]

Be prepared if it proves good in the space of 6 months with no warez releases of titles, you can bet your bottom dollar all publishers will start using it.

Not necessarily - StarForce was very similar in many ways to the current Denuvo system (in terms of successfulness when it comes to preventing warez releases, and, ironically, controversiality and claims of problems with hardware and software on end-user systems), and yet we're not seeing a lot of games using that today.

There are other forces at play in a corporate-controlled environment, but the successfulness in preventing warez releases of products is a major factor, no doubt.

[Edited by PeTTs0n, 11/23/2014 5:24:57 PM]

Three games use this DRM/ATP.

1. Fifa 15,
2. Lords of the Fallen,
3. Dragon Age Inquisition.

To my knowledge none of the first two are on the priate market for PC. Which does note that it certainly is a DRM/ATP to be recond with from the crackers side of view. So I expect many other games to use this. But I have to say I do not see this DRM/ATP causing Damage to HD or SSDs. I see all this bumph as hatred basicly.

Yup, I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough in my post - I certainly do not believe that this (or most other) DRM(s) pose any threat to any PC hardware, per se.

I was merely comparing it to the "classic" StarForce, that had strong success in preventing pirate releases of products that used various iterations of it. But there was controversy surrounding it, how it affected hardware, and even stories about ruined PCs (true or not, there was a lot of negativity surrounding it - for what reason, truly... well that, can be debated), and the commercial breakthrough simply wasn't there. (For the negative publicity, or other reasons? It's not as black and white as some make it out to be, there are other factors important in a corporate, competitive, environment.)

DRMs will continue to evolve, as will methods of bypassing them (and not just for pirating reasons, even if that is the main reason), which means I doubt this DRM system is the be-all, end-all that some make it out to be.

 
JustSomeGuy  posted on Dec 13, 2014 4:34:17 AM - Report post

Current rank: 1.5 Stars. Next Rank at 500 Posts.
Send a message to JustSomeGuy
ELITE
Phew... I read the entire thread so far because I just built a new machine and I have two 1TB SSD Samsung drives, one an 850 Pro and the other an 840 EVO. I bought these (at considerable expense mind you...) so I could load everything onto them just like a TB mechanical drive and use them in the same manner I was used to with spinner drives. I was certainly alarmed when I read the first post, but now it seems to be some less than credible information, though I'm glad it was mentioned so it could be put to rest. I'm an old guy and this new machine was sort of my retirement present to myself so I wouldn't want the money I spent on it going to waste because there would be little in the way of funds to replace it. It is running an i7 5930 with 16GB of DDR4 2666 ram, a pair of r9 290x XFX Double Dissipation vid cards in crossfire, a 1200wt power supply and anything else I could think of to make it "as good as it gets" in a consumer machine for gaming. Benchmarks say it is faster than 98% of the machines extant, and I want to keep it that way! So worries about my SSD drives were very concerning as they are the most expensive parts of this build. I was trying to be as "future proof" as possible with the whole project.

So thank you all for your informed responses. I feel a bit better now. I had no concerns before the original post, went through a bit of a letdown when I read it, and came out the other side more informed and confident, so it wasn't just an exercise in futility. I'm glad I joined here years back and have always relied on the owners and members for good advice.

Thanks again!

[Edited by JustSomeGuy, 12/13/2014 4:38:18 AM]

 
Neo7  posted on Dec 13, 2014 10:08:15 AM - Report post

Moderator
Send a message to Neo7
MODERATOR
If it makes you feel better about your build, Samsung's SSDs are starting to get a reputation for longevity surviving petabytes of data being written to it.
 
BlackDragon480  posted on Dec 13, 2014 7:46:40 PM - Report post

Current rank: 1 Star. Next Rank at 100 Posts.
Send a message to BlackDragon480
ELITE
quote:
originally posted by Neo7

If it makes you feel better about your build, Samsung's SSDs are starting to get a reputation for longevity surviving petabytes of data being written to it.

Samsung has made gigantic strides in the last 18 months with the 830-850 lines. Excellent longevity, great read/write speeds (after a firmware fix), and awesome power efficiency.

If they offered the same amount of hardware failsafes against data loss that Crucial's non-enterprise lines do I'd jump to an 850 Pro in a heartbeat.

 
crusaderoath  posted on Dec 14, 2014 1:57:03 PM - Report post

Current rank: 1 Star. Next Rank at 100 Posts.
Send a message to crusaderoath
ELITE
Well, its come to the point where this thread should simply be renamed: SSD vs HDD vs HHD drive comparison.

To throw my two bits into the pot, I would like to point out that an SSD could theoretically be fully worn through in about a month, however regular use does not allow for this kind of wear. You would have to write to the whole drive approximately 10 thousand times in order to wear out most MTBF estimates for a single block. Otherwise, the lifespan of the disk is often in the range of 4+ years with adequate wear leveling.

Simply put, I don't think that an SSD is any less reliable than a conventional hard disk for gaming. But for long term storage, such as videos, music, pictures, and documents should be kept on a HDD. SSD can lose block integrity from long term storage without continued refresh.

 
Jaks  posted on Dec 14, 2014 2:08:36 PM - Report post

Premium Plus
Send a message to Jaks
ELITE

It's still a tad premature but in another 5-10 years we'll have better track records and more accurate history of how well these drives have performed under strain.

Page 12 of 13   •  First Page  •  Previous Page  •   Next Page  •   Last Page
  Post Reply
Go to page: 1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12  13 
All times are (GMT -06:00) Central Time (US & Canada). Current time is 7:00:23 PM
Cheat Happens Premium
 
* Access PC trainers and exclusive content
* Updated game trainers and cheats daily
* Get notified when new cheats are added
* Request which games get new trainers
* Priority support with any problem
 
Game Review
Latest Trainer
Dragon Age III: Inquisition Trainer
• Unlimited Inventory
• Unlimited Focus
• Add Inquisition/Power Points
+ 9 more options
  Show all Cheats & Trainers
Latest Wallpaper
1024 x 768
1152 x 600
1280 x 960
1280 x 1024
1600 x 1200
1920 x 1200
Wallpaper #1 of 4   Show All