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    Neo7 posted on Mar 19, 2015 7:31:22 PM - Report post
     
    I don't think there is a special motive with those details other than they want to streamline the upgrade process. That just happens to be a side effect.
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    KingEli posted on Mar 20, 2015 12:29:07 AM - Report post
     
    So as long as pirates will update within the 1st year period they will get a free legit win10 copy but after that year they wont be able to get the update if they want to perform a fresh win7 installation even if they got the update before, yup this is probably a side effect.
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    agentx250 posted on Mar 20, 2015 3:52:16 AM - Report post
     
    quote:
    originally posted by LordVenator

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    Okay I think I have full clarification on the pirated getting Windows 10 and it looks to be a massive miscommunication.

    Part of the development of Windows 10 was to streamline the OS installation by allow the OS to be delivered over Windows Update instead of by installation media. What MS meant to communicate is that Windows 7 and higher will be the OSes to receive Windows 10 via Windows Update and both genuine and non-genuine version can receive the Windows 10 installation file.

    Note that it only states just that. Installing it will not affect your genuine status. So while the pirates will have the benefit of having a Windows 10 installation from an official source, they will still need to buy a legit key to do product activation (or continue being flagged as non-genuine).

    TLDR: Yes pirates can download Windows 10. No they don't get a product key for free.

    [Edited by Neo7, 3/19/2015 5:35:17 PM]

    Don't see how they'll win over China and pirates with that, it's essentially the same thing as downloading it from elsewhere.

    Here's hoping they finally introduce yearly subs with Win10.

    Why would I want to pay a subscription fee? They're not providing a service, they're selling a product. I don't want something I don't actually own running my computers.

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    Neo7 posted on Mar 20, 2015 7:42:36 AM - Report post
     
    Technically how the licensing is, you still don't own Windows. They can flag your product key as invalid at any time per their discretion. If you want something you described, you need to be on Linux, not Windows.

    [Edited by moderator Neo7, 3/20/2015 7:54:28 AM]
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    Neo7 posted on Mar 20, 2015 7:46:03 AM - Report post
     
    quote:
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    So as long as pirates will update within the 1st year period they will get a free legit win10 copy but after that year they wont be able to get the update if they want to perform a fresh win7 installation even if they got the update before, yup this is probably a side effect.

    WGA is program to detect if their is a valid key or not installed on the system and can take different actions based on what it is. There is a proof of concept built into Windows 8.1 as if you've noticed, the product keys for that and Windows 8 are different. If WGA had detected your Windows 8 key was invalid, it wouldn't let you install Windows 8.1 at all. If it was, the Store issued you a brand new key.

    I suspect that if WGA detects a bad key (or none at all) for Windows 7/8/8.1 to Windows 10, it will reset it back into the 30 day grace mode and not issue a key (which is actually standard for Windows installations as a fresh install is legit for the initial 30 days regardless of whether you have a key or not).

    [Edited by Neo7, 3/20/2015 7:53:50 AM]

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    LordVenator posted on Mar 20, 2015 2:29:36 PM - Report post
     
    quote:
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    originally posted by Neo7

    Okay I think I have full clarification on the pirated getting Windows 10 and it looks to be a massive miscommunication.

    Part of the development of Windows 10 was to streamline the OS installation by allow the OS to be delivered over Windows Update instead of by installation media. What MS meant to communicate is that Windows 7 and higher will be the OSes to receive Windows 10 via Windows Update and both genuine and non-genuine version can receive the Windows 10 installation file.

    Note that it only states just that. Installing it will not affect your genuine status. So while the pirates will have the benefit of having a Windows 10 installation from an official source, they will still need to buy a legit key to do product activation (or continue being flagged as non-genuine).

    TLDR: Yes pirates can download Windows 10. No they don't get a product key for free.

    [Edited by Neo7, 3/19/2015 5:35:17 PM]

    Don't see how they'll win over China and pirates with that, it's essentially the same thing as downloading it from elsewhere.

    Here's hoping they finally introduce yearly subs with Win10.

    Why would I want to pay a subscription fee? They're not providing a service, they're selling a product. I don't want something I don't actually own running my computers.

    I never said anything about you, or anyone else, having to pay subscription fees for Windows. I said I would like for that to happen because not everyone has west world's salaries and can afford to pay $500 or $1000 for a simple, 5-use, Windows disc/key.

    I'm already paying $30 a year for my AV software and I have no issues paying $50-60 a year for an OS.

    And as Neo7 explained right under your post, even if you buy Windows you still don't own them. You merely paid for the privilege to use the OS.

    P.S. Apologies for going off-topic.

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    Neo7 posted on Mar 31, 2015 9:14:13 PM - Report post
     
    Build 10049 is active and includes the Project Spartan web browser. Thus far it is very bare bones in just being a window into the web with very little support for anything else. This has a side effect of feeling very light (as is with most vanilla browsers) so it's nothing more than a first impression.

    Speed is pretty good although IE11 was something to give other browsers a run for their money already. What makes Spartan unique is that it is a Modern/Universal App (although it feels like a traditional app with it's own unique Modern styling) making it's architecture very different from other browsers.

    Also included in this build but not advertised are new preview versions of the next redesign of Music and Video apps. Haven't had time to play with these though.
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    KingEli posted on Apr 04, 2015 11:42:19 AM - Report post
     
    Microsoft says open source Windows is "definitely possible":Link
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