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Steam Early release and alpha/Beta games
 
Caliber  posted on Feb 22, 2014 12:50:23 PM - Report post

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For instance, Hegemony Rome..

store.steampowered.com/app/227060/

This title appears to be yet another title in the trend for steam to allow developers to release games onto it's platform that literally are in EARLY development. If you read the steam page where, amazingly, the game is FOR SALE and yet they are clearly stating:
Early Access Version
WARNING: THIS GAME IS AN EARLY ACCESS BETA VERSION. PLEASE DO NOT PURCHASE IT UNLESS YOU WANT TO ACTIVELY SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GAME AND ARE PREPARED TO HANDLE SERIOUS ISSUES, UNFINISHED FEATURES AND POSSIBLE INTERRUPTIONS OF GAMEPLAY.

The developers themselves say on steam also:

If you are looking to play a polished and finished game, we advise you NOT to purchase this Early Access version.

It seems that very small developers are not even going the kickstarter route and are allowed to put their unfinished games directly onto STEAM and they are not completed works.

This title is 25 dollars.

I guess it would be good to have some feedback from the members on these types of titles. The problem for Cheathappens is that these titles are often placed onto the REQUEST list and they are obviously popular enough to get enough points to be added to the trainer to-do list. However, we as trainer developers (especially 0x90) are inundated with patch after patch of these literally broken and unfinished titles, which can take up 50% of our coding time. furthermore, it seems that when the games are finally stable months (or years) later that the interest for them is long gone.

we'd like to strike a fair compromise with the members and get feedback on these troubling game titles. Feel free to chime in and let us know what you are thinking about these titles and how cheathappens might deal with these games.

should we wait until they are stable and complete?
if we do trainers for these titles, should we update them when they patch like once a week?
should early access and incomplete games be listed on our REQUEST list?

your thoughts are welcome..

best,
Cal

[Edited by Caliber, 2/22/2014 12:55:20 PM]

[Edited by Caliber, 2/22/2014 12:56:16 PM]

 
Neo7  posted on Feb 22, 2014 1:05:04 PM - Report post

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Patch once per week and/or increase the request requirements really high. These games are not ready for primetime and the developers are making people to pay to essentially become QA.

[Edited by Neo7, 2/22/2014 1:05:33 PM]

 
Welce  posted on Feb 22, 2014 1:20:16 PM - Report post

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While there are a few early access games I am interested in, I generally do not buy early access unless it's the summer/winter sale and I am going to play it. So I don't understand the need for trainers all the time.
Take Starbound for example, I decided to help them but with how much they update I don't expect a trainer everyday. I can wait 2 weeks or more if needed. There are other games I have on my steam library that have working trainers that I can play and haven't finished in the mean time. If I really want the trainer I tell steam to not update the game. It's simple.

So my answer is. Make a warning that early access games will take 1/2 weeks to be updated. However long you decide. If they want to use trainers, set the game to not update. Since some people aren't the brightest. I am willing to make screen shots to show how it's done.

You guys at Cheathappens do tons of work and need to be thanked more. So thanks for all your hard work.

 
-Detonation-  posted on Feb 22, 2014 1:58:48 PM - Report post

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Yeah, just ditch those early access alpha/Beta releases and wait for the proper versions to come out. 1.0 or the first patch ones. You guys are already overworked and need a little breather every now and then. Anyone can wait for a little while. People will understand. If they don't, the heck with them. There are plenty of retail games to choose from. Makes your life a little easier to make trainers for games that are not being patched anymore. Old and new.

[Edited by -Detonation-, 2/22/2014 2:12:48 PM]

 
MichaelScarn  posted on Feb 22, 2014 2:04:48 PM - Report post

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Based on this trend I would say that you guys at CH must find some sort of middle ground as this seems to be a losing battle.

Either you limit the trainers on early access games to once per week or put the request points so high that it is worth your while to put the work in once the community has ponied up the points.

Bottom line it seems that you guys are wasting a lot of time with these constant updates on unfinished products.

 
Caliber  posted on Feb 22, 2014 2:14:35 PM - Report post

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thanks for the feedback. we are going to leave this topic up for a bit to get more feedback. it's very appreciated and useful to get the members involved with topics like this.

best,
Cal

 
asdfth12  posted on Feb 22, 2014 3:30:26 PM - Report post

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Monthly updates for early access games would be a good baseline for them, but I think some of them are stable enough for more constant updates.

Alternatively, with lifetime membership being needed to download trainers for games with more then, I think, 20 trainers then giving more frequent support to early access games could be worthwhile since it will help bring the site more money.

Either way, I think it'd be better to go through the retired games first and make sure that those are still up to date. I've encountered one game that didn't have a up to date trainer, and the game was marked as retired. And at the same time, I've seen a few games that are never going to get a update ever again and they are still marked as active. (Red Alert 2 is marked active, and it's last update was back in 02 if I remember right.)

 
kingkob  posted on Feb 22, 2014 3:42:59 PM - Report post

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Imo no trainers should be made for alpha's or beta's.
Not long ago I thought that a trainer per week or every other week will do but now I just think it's a complete waste of time of the trainer makers and the admins.

Btw even the so called finished games today are far from perfect, I think everyone need's to stop buying those early access games as you give legitimization to these lazy devs to keep making us whipped.
We are not only providing them free service but also pay for it?! This is unheard of!

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