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POLL: Obamacare
 
Shibby  posted on Jul 13, 2012 3:56:35 PM - Report post

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Well said Admiral!

I did a bit of reading up on this and it sounds like a good thing to me. As benduhova said earlier we have a similar thing, and in no way is NZ a rich country, but it works just fine. I hope you guys get this in place soon

 
Shotgunmaniac  posted on Jul 13, 2012 4:39:55 PM - Report post

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Well said Admiral!

I did a bit of reading up on this and it sounds like a good thing to me. As benduhova said earlier we have a similar thing, and in no way is NZ a rich country, but it works just fine. I hope you guys get this in place soon

Strawman gon' straw, I guess.

Anyone who can't get behind something that benefits everybody is (ironically, considering it's the "right-wing" view) a dirty communist. I mean, really, when every other first world country has much, much better national healthcare, I don't see how people can believe that the instant we transition to a similar system the entire country will collapse into a state of free anarchy and constant murderous warfare. And the militia fighting that war would get dental! Dental! Preposterous!

Seriously, every argument I've heard against it always amounts to "blah bleh it can't work no numbery buzzword factoids have been thrown at me." But what they're really trying to say is that we can't have any form of universal healthcare system because our country has those people, and those people found a way into the country illegally so they'll find some way to "abuse" said system. And they will have absolutely none of this business involving taxes that might benefit those people.

I really wish racism that blatant wasn't so prevalent, but down where I live it's just common "fact" that the only reason that any political, social, or economical screw-up even happens in the first place is entirely because of illegal immigrants. Which also extends to a pretty fair number of the further right leaning folks from all over the country as well.

Ugh. Political foolishness gives me a headache. Universal healthcare or bust. Legalized marijuana is another can of worms, but it'd be nice for the headache, too...

 
lessus  posted on Jul 13, 2012 4:51:04 PM - Report post

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Just one word: solidarity.
Yes, everyone should spend money into that system. A reasonable amount, x% of the monthly income, goes into that system. The same idea already had Otto von Bismarck around 1880.
The simple answer of the question who should pay this is "every citizen of the United States of America".

"But 10% of people who can work don't work! They pay nothing to stay healthy!" - Your country needs more companies to get these people to work.
"But there are lots of working places without a worker because he's not qualified for this job!" - Improve your education system, qualify that people.
"But when I earn 3000$ per month, I have to pay much more than others!" - Yes, you just earn more money than others. (In Germanys constitution it says "Eigentum verpflichtet" (property/ownership has its responsibilites) and we still have rich people so it won't ruin ones life)
"But some people are so often ill!" - Usually these people don't choose to be ill. But they also need help.

[Edited by lessus, 7/13/2012 5:10:45 PM]

 
Astoek  posted on Jul 13, 2012 6:55:36 PM - Report post

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I'm Impartial, we all have been dieing from the day of our births, what good is it to delay the inevitable and seek out healthcare?
 
Shotgunmaniac  posted on Jul 13, 2012 7:13:41 PM - Report post

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I'm Impartial, we all have been dieing from the day of our births, what good is it to delay the inevitable and seek out healthcare?

...Well, I'm convinced!

Next time I get a paper cut I'm offing myself because all one man - nay, one soul - can truly live for is their death. I believe I am meant for something greater, I believe I have a purpose. I have meticulously, methodically, and maliciously sought out this purpose, without care for any indulgence of petty fleeting affairs; the foolish notions of social, physical, and emotional pleasures are beneath my purpose.

And my purpose, you ask? This purpose, for which I have sought you, yes, you, Astoek, is beyond the comprehension of mere men. Of mere souls.

But loosely translated, it's that I can finally die happy, as I've found someone who managed to get emo about healthcare.

 
Astoek  posted on Jul 13, 2012 11:39:50 PM - Report post

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I enjoy your sense of humor, I wasn't trying to be Emo just a realist.

 
Neo7  posted on Jul 13, 2012 11:45:34 PM - Report post

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Nihilist would be a better/more accurate term.

[Edited by Neo7, 7/13/2012 11:45:53 PM]

 
Shotgunmaniac  posted on Jul 13, 2012 11:57:20 PM - Report post

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@Shotgunmaniac

I enjoy your sense of humor, I wasn't trying to be Emo just a realist.

Averting healthcare altogether due to the simple inevitability of death is hardly within any realist perceptions on life. It's either outright stupid, or in this case, simply the fatalist's perspective, rather than the realist's.

Which, by definition, is emo. Possibly hipster. And as a realist, I don't like people gettin' all loquacious on my turf making claims when they ain't got their proper terminologies correct.

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Nihilist would be a better/more accurate term.


There them kids go with their, their terminologies again!

[Edited by Shotgunmaniac, 7/13/2012 11:57:39 PM]

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