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lessus  posted on Jul 10, 2012 12:22:30 PM - Report post

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You, Americans, have some strange people in the Republican Party...being happy about people not getting neccessary aid to get healthy
 
outwar6010  posted on Jul 11, 2012 3:52:05 AM - Report post

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tbh this is the kind of stuff that should have been implemted many years ago from my understanding their health insurance companies are very messed up and dig deep into peoples lives to find pre existing conditions etc as a reason to void the insurance and they define giving healthcare as "medical losses" did any of you watch that michael moore documentary sicko?
 
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XsiiGqgjjs
You, Americans, have some strange people in the Republican Party...being happy about people not getting neccessary aid to get healthy

Even worse is that they don't realize the damage that will be done if they repeal it. It'll go back to the things way were but with a ton of money out the window from implementing it in the first place. The current deficit is already alarmingly high.

 
Easy_506th  posted on Jul 11, 2012 7:15:50 AM - Report post

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Being Irish lads and growing up in Dublin, with a completely munted health care system, I'd agree wholeheartedly with a health care program. The individual mandate would have me raising an eyebrow though. Maybe something like the Australian system or the French system (gasp he recommends zi fwench. Yes I know live in ozzieland. The french system has quite minimal waiting times, and access for all, be you royalty or a homeless person on the street, the treatment is the same.
 
Curdin  posted on Jul 13, 2012 6:01:03 AM - Report post

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Admittedly I do not know the details of this thousand page bill, but to me healthcare should be something available to everyone. (the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of etc.)

So I'm okay with the idea of paying taxes so that I can see a doctor as much as I am okay with paying taxes so that I can use a highway to get to work.

i agree. well said.

well said

 
Wrythe1985  posted on Jul 13, 2012 7:15:07 AM - Report post

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Random question...do any of you who posted have any hard, reliable data to back up your opinions or are you just spouting off uninformed thoughts and ideas on what this bill is/should be/actually does? Not one of you people seems to have any clue what the big deal with this bill is or what the bill actually does for the American citizens.

It sounds all grand and stuff to say "oh, aren't Republicans terrible for not wanting to give free healthcare to the poor". But, in actuality, the "free" government healthcare program that does exist is going bankrupt.....fast. If I had to explain the bill's effects on the American healthcare system in its simplest terms, the bill is going to make government-provided healthcare system(s) go bankrupt at an accelerated rate greater then the current one. And no, we can't just take a tax hike to pay for it because we can't pay for the spending done in DC even if you take this bill out of the equation altogether. This bill sounds great and altruistic and all, but my question is who's gonna pay for the healthcare in the end? Nothing is ever free so someone must pay.

 
Shotgunmaniac  posted on Jul 13, 2012 7:36:18 AM - Report post

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originally posted by lessus

www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XsiiGqgjjs
You, Americans, have some strange people in the Republican Party...being happy about people not getting neccessary aid to get healthy

Even worse is that they don't realize the damage that will be done if they repeal it. It'll go back to the things way were but with a ton of money out the window from implementing it in the first place. The current deficit is already alarmingly high.

We really could not give two s about the deficit. I think the debt ceiling "crisis" proved as much - it had been raised several times in the past, each time without issue or mass hysteria. This time it just happened to be a convenient way to go "Hey everybody! Look! This is Obama/the other party's fault! Don't vote for him/them this time!" Hell, that's all anything financial matters boil down to: idiot advisers make bad decisions, the president gets blamed for signing a bill about something he doesn't fully understand because they don't want him to.

As far as health care goes, please. I had two emergencies requiring ambulances within the span of a month, both my parents have to have at least one of some type of internal organ test done per month, and if we didn't have insurance prescriptions would tally up to, oh, say, six thousand dollars a month.

And the bills just for getting emergency services out here and staying in the hospital for 8 hours after I had my seizure? $4,800. And I know for a fact some EMTs don't even make double digits per hour for pay. So yeah, I want some kind of healthcare system that actually gets money to where it needs to go.

But I seriously doubt our government will ever find something logical and fair that they could stick with, unless the people padding their pockets suddenly got logical and fair. We've got the far, far right with the Republicans and the just far right with the Democrats. And when you've got wackos adhering to hardly differing extremes, they tend to find a lot to argue about while everyone around 'em suffers.

 
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Random question...do any of you who posted have any hard, reliable data to back up your opinions or are you just spouting off uninformed thoughts and ideas on what this bill is/should be/actually does? Not one of you people seems to have any clue what the big deal with this bill is or what the bill actually does for the American citizens.

It sounds all grand and stuff to say "oh, aren't Republicans terrible for not wanting to give free healthcare to the poor". But, in actuality, the "free" government healthcare program that does exist is going bankrupt.....fast. If I had to explain the bill's effects on the American healthcare system in its simplest terms, the bill is going to make government-provided healthcare system(s) go bankrupt at an accelerated rate greater then the current one. And no, we can't just take a tax hike to pay for it because we can't pay for the spending done in DC even if you take this bill out of the equation altogether. This bill sounds great and altruistic and all, but my question is who's gonna pay for the healthcare in the end? Nothing is ever free so someone must pay.

Please provide me with your own "hard, reliable data."

You are not posting anything here but Republican talking points. So to say that no one's opinions in this thread are of any merit you should yourself back up your opinion with fact.

In reality, my guess would be that you simply do not agree with the other opinions and therefore assume that they are then wrong. If you have all of the facts to lay out, and can prove that this will in fact bankrupt Medicare as well I would love to see it... because then you of course could convince me that these improvements to the healthcare system are a bad idea. If you can do that, then you should also be a Republican strategist, because you would be able to convince the rest of America that this is a terrible idea.

Oh, and when you ask "who's gonna pay for the healthcare in the end?" The answer is simple: all of us. I pay for health insurance now. I have no problem paying into a system that benefits all versus benefiting some.

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