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Posted: Jul 14, 2012 12:05:55 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

I am a healthcare worker and there are so many variables to take into consideration when it comes to healthcare. There are few other fields that require the level of educated workforce to run a business.

I agree with the parts of the bill that mandate accessibility to health care insurance coverage. I disagree with the government control part of it. What this will lead to lower pay and longer hours for healthcare workers because they do not kick enough cash in the direction of the workforce. Healthcare organizations will always **** over their employees before they take a hit to their shares.

What needed to happen is that insurance companies needed to be required to offer coverage to people regardless of past or current conditions and businesses need to be required to offer a group health insurance plan to their employees.

The problem with the government functioning in this capacity is that people do not make enough money to pay in taxes for the current cost of healthcare. My family group health plan cost me and my employer 130,000 a year for me, my wife and my son. I do not make that much money.

I am not a doctor but I believe they put up with enough bull**** and **** hours to earn the pay they get. Before you say doctors have it easy, keep in mind the stuff you see on TV couldn't be further from the truth. 24-48 hour shifts and taking call ruins any possibility of a quality home life. Additionally every choice you make has your license to practice medicine on the line so no **** ups either. The 250,000 grand a year they make is completely justified in my eyes.

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Posted: Jul 14, 2012 12:29:16 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

"license to practice medicine"

I always enjoyed that wording, its like saying we are not claiming to be experts but we are in the process of becoming one.

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I do also agree doctors do sacrifice a lot to bring in that kind of money.

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Posted: Jul 14, 2012 12:31:57 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

 quote:
 originally posted by Sarcastic_225:

I am a healthcare worker and there are so many variables to take into consideration when it comes to healthcare. There are few other fields that require the level of educated workforce to run a business.

I agree with the parts of the bill that mandate accessibility to health care insurance coverage. I disagree with the government control part of it. What this will lead to lower pay and longer hours for healthcare workers because they do not kick enough cash in the direction of the workforce. Healthcare organizations will always **** over their employees before they take a hit to their shares.

What needed to happen is that insurance companies needed to be required to offer coverage to people regardless of past or current conditions and businesses need to be required to offer a group health insurance plan to their employees.

The problem with the government functioning in this capacity is that people do not make enough money to pay in taxes for the current cost of healthcare. My family group health plan cost me and my employer 130,000 a year for me, my wife and my son. I do not make that much money.

I am not a doctor but I believe they put up with enough bull**** and **** hours to earn the pay they get. Before you say doctors have it easy, keep in mind the stuff you see on TV couldn't be further from the truth. 24-48 hour shifts and taking call ruins any possibility of a quality home life. Additionally every choice you make has your license to practice medicine on the line so no **** ups either. The 250,000 grand a year they make is completely justified in my eyes.

See, this is what an actual case being made should look like when it disagrees with the OP. Top marks, Sarcastic_225.

The problem in general is the lack of separation between the providers and the government - I know "Big Pharma" gets thrown around by nutjobs left and right, but nonetheless it still is a "thing," and so long as any one individual can screw any other number of individuals out of their money, it's really not going to end up favorable for us. (Us being the whole 99%'er group and whatnot that don't make millions a year, you know, the minority that will be displeased with government/corporate decisions, at least from their perspective)

Run everything the same old way? Well, it sort of works, but it's still more expensive and less efficient than it could be, even on local levels.
Run everything through the government? Well, that's kind of like voting for the people that manufacture the equipment the damn hospital uses at this point. Still, it's more efficient overall, cheaper, and better for the recipients, but all of the middlemen get borked.
Run everything into India? Hey, at least I'm trying to be productive and thinking of new ideas here. Though we already get like half our doctors and all our tech support from them, so they might be mad about our MD theft.

Hell with it, I can't reconcile a good, moral plan with what reality fords. I say we take write-in ballots for suggestions using a series of dead drops listed on craigslist.

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Another issue I have with the law is that it is so huge. The healthcare field did not need all the changes the law covered. Just because insurance companies were stickin it to us for 40 years does not mean that we need government run healthcare. When you regulate something so heavily you stifle growth and that leads to a regression in a field.

2 months ago I read an article in time magazine that a doctor in California made a human bladder with a 3d printer using stim cells and tissue proteins. Hell yes I want that!

Another issue with healthcare is that its not an exact science. Neither the diagnosis process or the treatment process is the same with any two complaints of a headache.

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Posted: Jul 14, 2012 1:33:45 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

 quote:
 originally posted by Astoek:

"license to practice medicine"

I always enjoyed that wording, its like saying we are not claiming to be experts but we are in the process of becoming one.

@Sarcastic_225

I do also agree doctors do sacrifice a lot to bring in that kind of money.

Like I said in my other post the medical science is far from exact.

There are other things too, have you ever watched someone die? You ever watched several people die? Have you ever had to comfort a mom because you could not save her son after he got beat to death because he was gay? I have, and I do it for about the same wage as a convenience store clerk.

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Posted: Jul 14, 2012 2:46:39 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

 quote:
 originally posted by Sarcastic_225:

 quote:
 originally posted by Astoek:

"license to practice medicine"

I always enjoyed that wording, its like saying we are not claiming to be experts but we are in the process of becoming one.

@Sarcastic_225

I do also agree doctors do sacrifice a lot to bring in that kind of money.

Like I said in my other post the medical science is far from exact.

There are other things too, have you ever watched someone die? You ever watched several people die? Have you ever had to comfort a mom because you could not save her son after he got beat to death because he was gay? I have, and I do it for about the same wage as a convenience store clerk.

As a Veteran I have seen my fair share of death. I can relate; Explaining to the family members how you are the sole survivor of a LAV accident and that their son(s) are not. Coming back from a tour to be mocked and disrespected by a few civilians who's freedoms I have defended, and fighting for a "freedom" that so many take for granted each day.

My point being that a job is basically how much **** can you put up with for as little as pay possible to make as much money as possible for the higher ups.

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Posted: Jul 14, 2012 1:24:05 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

 quote:
 originally posted by Sarcastic_225:

 quote:
 originally posted by Astoek:

"license to practice medicine"

I always enjoyed that wording, its like saying we are not claiming to be experts but we are in the process of becoming one.

@Sarcastic_225

I do also agree doctors do sacrifice a lot to bring in that kind of money.

Like I said in my other post the medical science is far from exact.

There are other things too, have you ever watched someone die? You ever watched several people die? Have you ever had to comfort a mom because you could not save her son after he got beat to death because he was gay? I have, and I do it for about the same wage as a convenience store clerk.

I have seen death, and have done it for the same wages you speak of; I have been a prison guard for 13 years.

That being said, I am unaware of any specific regulations on reimbursements to health care providers within this law. It's main focus is on reducing the cost of insurance. Therefore, it is an attempt to reduce per capita profits from insurance companies but replacing those profits by including the forty-seven million Americans without any insurance. However, I am going to commit myself to reading the full nine hundred and seventy-four page document to see if in fact your claims have any merit... not to mention that I really need to know what all this says for my own piece of mind. So, I will report back in the next couple of weeks after I have had time to read it all. I ask for that much time because legislation is really dry reading. Therefore, I will break it up so that I do not lose any information due to boredom.

Edit:
Anyone else interested in reading the law or just getting more information on the law: Link

[Edited by The Admiral, 7/14/2012 1:28:45 PM]

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