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Steven283  posted on Feb 15, 2012 7:42:41 PM - Report post

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I wonder when Activision will launch their own DD service, and require it for all their games. Don't tell me they aren't thinking about it. They are just as greedy as EA. I guess it depends on how Origin does. If EA makes good money with it, I'm sure Activision will follow suit.
 
sleepingsecret  posted on Feb 15, 2012 8:25:32 PM - Report post

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I wonder when Activision will launch their own DD service, and require it for all their games. Don't tell me they aren't thinking about it. They are just as greedy as EA. I guess it depends on how Origin does. If EA makes good money with it, I'm sure Activision will follow suit.

I thought they did with their Account thing where you can download all their games from there.

 
DABhand  posted on Feb 16, 2012 2:40:58 AM - Report post

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Ok lets start to clear stuff up.

People have been aggressive of Origin since it formed, although its essentially EA Downloader renamed and revamped. Why people are negative over something that is essentially the same as steam, but less intrusive is beyond me. Maybe they just love Steam. Who knows :P

As for shotgun's comment about my dislike for Steam and promotion of Origin. It is not to do with the fact that I am with EA at the moment, it is to do with the fact that Valve tried to get one over me when I originally bought HL2 and they said I was trying to use a warez key after I registered my legitimate cd-key, but could re-activate it for $10. Since then I have had a dislike for steam.

Anyways back to Origin, for years people screamed about how intrusive copy protections was on physical media, oh how they wanted something less intrusive and easier so their media could be protected. Hence why digital licensing platforms arrived, and would you adam and eve it people still complain like little 5 year olds. Why?

Simple, the people who originally cried about it, were people who wanted a title but was taking too long to be cracked, so people cried about it in droves they never bought the game etc although they said they did. When it finally got cracked..... the moaning died down, funny that. And then the same thing happened with Assassin's Creed 2 et al. But for some legit people they believe all this hype from the people who didn't pay anything and seem to be swept along for the ride.

As for the legit people who bought the titles and are not happy, Origin is not intrusive, it is simply just checking your account has access to the game and to check if you have the latest version (if you don't it will ask if you want to update it). That is not intrusive, so you have to start up a piece of software to have it get checked online (usually only lasts until the 1st major patch) to play a game. Wow.

How many people will play online with ME3? I am sure people who buy it will register the cd-key and also sign on in game to get the benefits etc. What you gonna complain that you shouldn't have to sign in to get the random extra DLC you got for trying out other demo's etc?

I think people expect things to be delivered on the proverbial silver platter, and that software should just start up instantaneously. Welcome to the 21st Century people, this is how games will authenticate and be protected.

I am sure you would like to make sure your own possessions are protected with the most updated methods also? Right?

 
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I wonder when Activision will launch their own DD service, and require it for all their games. Don't tell me they aren't thinking about it. They are just as greedy as EA. I guess it depends on how Origin does. If EA makes good money with it, I'm sure Activision will follow suit.

I thought they did with their Account thing where you can download all their games from there.

True, but it's not a complete DD platform like Origin, Steam or Impulse. You also don't need it for Activision games....yet. Hopefully we never do. I've already got three DD platforms on my PC. I don't want anymore of them!

[Edited by Steven283, 2/16/2012 6:32:37 AM]

 
Skyheart  posted on Feb 16, 2012 6:32:13 AM - Report post

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@sleepingsecret: The "NO GUARENTEES" you posted is exactly what I explained in my post. No software in the world can guarantee most of that. Something will work perfectly on one persons system, but might seem bug-ridden on another. The non-guarenteed access to Steam part is also in what I explained, in that unless you set a game to play offline, Steam verifies the game online every time you play. If the servers are extremely busy or offline, you'll not be able to play it. I've only had that problem once in two years and 477 games.

Most, if not all modern games scan your hardware. They have to in order to determine whether a game meets the minimum requirements, and to set the automatic graphic options if its designed to do so. Steam is a digital games platform. Go figure. The only time it purposely scans your hardware and sends it to someone is when they're carrying out a survey of hardware configurations, at which point you're prompted to allow or deny the scan, and then again to allow or deny the transmission of that information. The only folder it scans is its own. I'm still not seeing anything other than your own say-so to prove what you're saying.

People may complain about it, but they'll still use it. I enjoy BioWare games, especially Mass Effect, so I still buy EA published games. Though I hate EA and Origin, I'll still use it. Way to insult people because you can't justify your argument. It's not "the cool thing to do". People have extremely valid reasons to distrust and dislike EA and Origin. Just because you like/don't mind them doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.

EA stated that they pulled a lot of games from Steam due to unreasonable demands on pricing, DLC usage and contact with users (something like that anyway), which is a complete steaming load. They just happen to have an alternative digital download platform which they just launched to grab a piece of the digital market when these complaints arose. Not to mention the fact that if those unreasonable demands where accurate, they'd have had no problem pulling their entire catalogue from Steam.

@Neo: Yeah, you're right about UAC. I didn't mention it because I have it disabled. It caused havoc with my setup a while ago so I've always disabled it. Likewise, I didn't know about Origin wanting superuser privileges.

I posted a huge thing about Valve and their user agreement where it says they have the right to scan your computer. No, I find it wrong when people jump on the hatred bandwagon because it is cool. Every gaming company scans your system in one way or another but they do not transmit it. People just hate and distrust EA/Origins because it is the norm.

Thanks for proving most of my points, which you clearly didn;t even read.

@DAB: I was waiting for you to chime in. Quite simply: No.

No one in this thread has said they're not going to use EA products or Origin, just that they dislike it and dislike the fact that they're having yet another platform forced on them. Funny how all of those threads of old on hating Steam didn't attract so much defence and attention.

And holding a grudge against Steam from one incident XX number of years ago? At least most people with a dislike of EA and Origin have genuine concerns and problems on a constant basis.

However, I think this is about the time I exit the conversation. I don't feel like another mod warning for getting passionate over a subject.

 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Feb 16, 2012 6:39:04 AM - Report post

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Oh DAB if only I could marry your brain. Or actually steal it for my self lol. Now I and many others will still buy the game but I know I wont play it online. Meh to multiplayer games I say. But then that is me. Its just another DP just use it like you do with the others. Also I have to agree on the cracking part I have heard that to from my other mates. Just like I said use the DP and buy the game. If it asks to do something with out you knowing what its doing you can stop it. Thats if you have your UAC on and even if its set to admin its still going to ask you. But you have been told what it dose. Oh and I hope I dont hear but why should I have my UAC on. Its like a certain mate said. You dont need a A/V if you dont do bad things. As DAB says protection is just going to go down the DP line. But al say my fav line. If you don't like it get out of the line!

Oh sky did I say I was not going to use EA's DP? I do not recall that. I do not mind using it. If its got to be that then so be it. I just Hate EA for ruining one hell of a Series C&C

[Edited by ServiusTheBear, 2/16/2012 6:42:14 AM]

 
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I said you said you weren't going to use it? Sorry, that wasn't my intention- I don't remember if you did or didn't.

And you certainly do need an AV even if you don't do bad things. Acquiring a virus is just for people who surf for porn or pirate games. There's countless ways for your system to get infected, even for the most honest, innocent person in the world. Not having any kind of AV is asking for disaster.

 
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Ok lets start to clear stuff up.

People have been aggressive of Origin since it formed, although its essentially EA Downloader renamed and revamped. Why people are negative over something that is essentially the same as steam, but less intrusive is beyond me. Maybe they just love Steam. Who knows :P

As for shotgun's comment about my dislike for Steam and promotion of Origin. It is not to do with the fact that I am with EA at the moment, it is to do with the fact that Valve tried to get one over me when I originally bought HL2 and they said I was trying to use a warez key after I registered my legitimate cd-key, but could re-activate it for $10. Since then I have had a dislike for steam.

Anyways back to Origin, for years people screamed about how intrusive copy protections was on physical media, oh how they wanted something less intrusive and easier so their media could be protected. Hence why digital licensing platforms arrived, and would you adam and eve it people still complain like little 5 year olds. Why?

Simple, the people who originally cried about it, were people who wanted a title but was taking too long to be cracked, so people cried about it in droves they never bought the game etc although they said they did. When it finally got cracked..... the moaning died down, funny that. And then the same thing happened with Assassin's Creed 2 et al. But for some legit people they believe all this hype from the people who didn't pay anything and seem to be swept along for the ride.

As for the legit people who bought the titles and are not happy, Origin is not intrusive, it is simply just checking your account has access to the game and to check if you have the latest version (if you don't it will ask if you want to update it). That is not intrusive, so you have to start up a piece of software to have it get checked online (usually only lasts until the 1st major patch) to play a game. Wow.

How many people will play online with ME3? I am sure people who buy it will register the cd-key and also sign on in game to get the benefits etc. What you gonna complain that you shouldn't have to sign in to get the random extra DLC you got for trying out other demo's etc?

I think people expect things to be delivered on the proverbial silver platter, and that software should just start up instantaneously. Welcome to the 21st Century people, this is how games will authenticate and be protected.

I am sure you would like to make sure your own possessions are protected with the most updated methods also? Right?

I've plugged into my PC as copy protection to run specific games. I've been to the dark times of copy protection, so just running a program ain't exactly intrusive to me. The thread's formatting got borked so a bunch of posts got deleted, so I'll repost my "waiting for games to get cracked" complaints I've had with EA, maybe you can address them with your omnipresence, yes?
-Misprinted CD keys/online passes not replaced by their support: has happened multiple times, have had to get them replaced at retailers.
-All my games bought through EADM had their CD keys invalidated with the move to Origin - their support essentially told me to stuff it and buy new copies on a new account. Multiple times.
-Less something that has happened to me but still a personal grievance, their continued "release everything as DLC for money we possibly can" policy is kind of unappealing. Especially when they release ~$270+++ in expansions for games like The Sims 3.
-Taking down servers for "games they can no longer afford to support for so few users." Well, after they release DLC and refuse to fix issues introduced by it, that is. And insist they can't use XBL/PSN/anything but their own servers.
-Possible plans to exterminate the human race. This might have been a doodle by an employee, so it might not need addressing. For now...

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