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Mass Effect 3 Move To Origin EA Steam
 
Neo7  posted on Feb 16, 2012 12:11:00 PM - Report post

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originally posted by DABhand

Ok lets start to clear stuff up.

People have been aggressive of Origin since it formed, although its essentially EA Downloader renamed and revamped. Why people are negative over something that is essentially the same as steam, but less intrusive is beyond me. Maybe they just love Steam. Who knows :P

As for shotgun's comment about my dislike for Steam and promotion of Origin. It is not to do with the fact that I am with EA at the moment, it is to do with the fact that Valve tried to get one over me when I originally bought HL2 and they said I was trying to use a warez key after I registered my legitimate cd-key, but could re-activate it for $10. Since then I have had a dislike for steam.

Anyways back to Origin, for years people screamed about how intrusive copy protections was on physical media, oh how they wanted something less intrusive and easier so their media could be protected. Hence why digital licensing platforms arrived, and would you adam and eve it people still complain like little 5 year olds. Why?

Simple, the people who originally cried about it, were people who wanted a title but was taking too long to be cracked, so people cried about it in droves they never bought the game etc although they said they did. When it finally got cracked..... the moaning died down, funny that. And then the same thing happened with Assassin's Creed 2 et al. But for some legit people they believe all this hype from the people who didn't pay anything and seem to be swept along for the ride.

As for the legit people who bought the titles and are not happy, Origin is not intrusive, it is simply just checking your account has access to the game and to check if you have the latest version (if you don't it will ask if you want to update it). That is not intrusive, so you have to start up a piece of software to have it get checked online (usually only lasts until the 1st major patch) to play a game. Wow.

How many people will play online with ME3? I am sure people who buy it will register the cd-key and also sign on in game to get the benefits etc. What you gonna complain that you shouldn't have to sign in to get the random extra DLC you got for trying out other demo's etc?

I think people expect things to be delivered on the proverbial silver platter, and that software should just start up instantaneously. Welcome to the 21st Century people, this is how games will authenticate and be protected.

I am sure you would like to make sure your own possessions are protected with the most updated methods also? Right?

Why does the program request superuser rights on my machine on the first run? The description you provided does not require the program to run as root at all. I killed the process outright and relaunched it without permitting it and it was still persistent with getting superuser rights. I let it and killed/relaunched the program immediately and this time it ran without. As the administrator or my computer, I do like to know at least the reasoning behind that request as I do take my computer security very seriously and to me requesting superuser rights when it clearly does not need to is intrusive to me.

Now if it stated "we need to change permission of the Origin folder in the Program Files" then I could understand that but even this is a simple task for the Origin's installer program and not Origin itself.

[Edited by Neo7, 2/16/2012 12:12:00 PM]

 
infinite_gamer  posted on Feb 16, 2012 3:40:39 PM - Report post

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Ok...i wasn't going to bother having anymore to do with this toipc,butjust for the record...
I'm using someone elses PC.
Iam logged in as a guest.When i DL Origin,i got a message that because i was logged in as a guest i am not eligible for some things on Origin.And,that i can't Dl anything unless i run it as An Administrater...no big deal.

But,that's not intrusive? BTW,it does scan your PC otherwise it would'nt have know i was logged in as a guest.I have had no problem like that with steam.

So,here's my problem with Origin...i HAVE to DL this program that i won't even use except to play ME3,and i can't even have the full benifits?TOTAL CRAP...

 
DABhand  posted on Feb 16, 2012 4:36:00 PM - Report post

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Origin only requests "superuser" access for the Program Files/User/My Documents access with UAC enabled. And any .dll usage required for basic IO functions. Nothing sinister.

The only real file checking it will use is looking for key filenames both in use and on startup by using Microsoft's Index service, and registry access. Just to check you have valid files and are up to date in games you own.


As for knowing if you logged in as guest, that is easy to make a simple API to check that. Its not a secret, quite a lot of software will check you have admin access first so that it can have full access to restricted folder trees and .dll files.

AV software, Office, Browsers, Daemon Tools, Burning Software, Games and other apps (yes even Steam) that require hard disk access like defragmenting apps will check if admin control is available. So are people going to stop using these too? I seriously doubt it.

[Edited by DABhand, 2/16/2012 4:36:53 PM]

 
Neo7  posted on Feb 16, 2012 5:03:50 PM - Report post

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Browsers (and most other applications) do not run on superuser rights unless you have UAC disabled, running Windows XP or earlier, or for some reason unknown to man have it setup to ask via UAC prompt. In fact Google Chrome and IE run processes at an even lower privilege level than standard users.

In fact when a program is instantiated by the user with UAC on, it always starts with just a standard token (and Origins runs on normal privileges after the first run). They don't gain administrative rights on every run at all once you say yes to the first UAC prompt from the program at all. Not entirely sure where you got that idea from at all.

[Edited by Neo7, 2/16/2012 5:07:36 PM]

 
DABhand  posted on Feb 16, 2012 5:11:00 PM - Report post

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Of course they do, how else do you think it can save into protected folders under UAC control?
 
the1396  posted on Feb 16, 2012 5:55:36 PM - Report post

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origin's main problem is that is it just another program to use. the key issues i have is in BF3 they made origin the server browser so you had to quit game every map to change servers.

also issue i have: origin app store doesn't show all apps have to use webpage to find DLC/demos to install. constantly crashes on purchasing and when it does not takes 12 hours for a purchase to come through if it works (still do not have my alumer DLC)

 
Neo7  posted on Feb 16, 2012 6:21:10 PM - Report post

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The user folder isn't a protected folder...neither is %appdata%. Those programs will throw an error attempting to save to protected areas such as %ProgramFiles% or %windir%. Even programs like 7-zip don't extract directly into those locations and just perform a move operation from a temp directory and let Windows Explorer request the permission rather than the program requesting it. The only exception to that is by setting the permission values for that specific folder directory (which requires UAC elevation only once...after that any user can write to that directory) which I believe is what osu! does.

[Edited by moderator Neo7, 2/16/2012 6:40:28 PM]

 
DABhand  posted on Feb 16, 2012 7:41:08 PM - Report post

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