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Shotgunmaniac  posted on Feb 15, 2012 1:52:42 PM - Report post

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I just looked and I could not see anything stating about scaning systems.

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[Edited by ServiusTheBear, 2/15/2012 1:43:44 PM]

I'm sorry, I didn't word it too clearly. Until someone actually read it and saw the line about scanning, there was indeed a clause about it in the EULA. Link

Just changing their wording doesn't mean they're not going to be willing to continue doing it - IMO, especially not a company like EA.

 
sleepingsecret  posted on Feb 15, 2012 2:13:50 PM - Report post

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It does scan your system, it doesn't transmit it, it scans your hardware and folders. Everything scans your system in one way or another. Everything can potentially scans your system.

C. NO GUARANTEES.

VALVE DOES NOT GUARANTEE CONTINUOUS, ERROR-FREE, VIRUS-FREE OR SECURE OPERATION AND ACCESS TO STEAM, THE SOFTWARE, YOUR ACCOUNT AND/OR YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS(S).

Then again, it is the circlejerk way to hate EA and Origins. I'll be playing ME3, you guys enjoy whining about it.

 
ServiusTheBear  posted on Feb 15, 2012 2:20:53 PM - Report post

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Sleep al be playing it to But am not bothered if It scans or not everything is becomeing a police state.
 
sleepingsecret  posted on Feb 15, 2012 2:32:55 PM - Report post

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Everything scans your system one way or another. Such as if you play WoW (or any MMO) and they use a system in which starts up before you can start your game (X-Trap, PunkBuster etc) it scans your system, that is why people hate it so much. It can scan just about everything on your computer and you can receive an error that there is a 3rd party cheat system program on your computer when it is just a virus scanner.

There is but one problem I have with Origins is that it takes up so much memory but I just upgraded so no more problem. Steam does not tell you they scan your system but they know all your DirectX Information (DXDiag) which all games do so they know what settings you can use for your system. It scans it just does not transmit.

It is just the cool thing to do to hate Origins when it was Valve that caused most of the new EA games to not be on Steam. They even pulled off DA2 off of Steam. Well but they allowed Reckoning, Alice, Crysis, and other games to go to Steam or to stay on Steam. It is just most Bioware games (if you noticed) that are not on Steam, Star Wars (Bioware), DA2 (Bioware), ME3 (Bioware) are not on Steam.

 
infinite_gamer  posted on Feb 15, 2012 3:27:50 PM - Report post

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I'm just bothered by the fact that you HAVE to use another DD platform to play a game.like i stated before,i wouldn't use origin if i didn't HAVE to.

IMO,i think that's Bunk.
But,I can't complain too much...Blizzard is doing it...Steam is doing it,i guess i'll just have to deal...

 
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Any program you install on your computer can potentially scan your system and everything on it. Saying that something does doesn't make it so. Steam doesn't scan your system to see what's there. Don't pull "facts" out of thin air to justify your argument.

Also, the only way Steam "dictates how, when, where and who" plays games on its system, the only time you can't play games is if it can't access the Steam servers for verification, which you can easily get around by setting all of your games to "play offline" as soon as you buy them. As for where and who, I don't see how you can use that one. "Who" is you - the person who bought the game. "Where" is no different than any other DRM in existance, where in most cases you have a set number of installs on different machines.

You need the proper permissions to scan every file on your computer. It does this by requesting authentication via the UAC prompt (not during installation though. If it did this during installation it would take forever). Do not tell the installer to run the program though (programs spawned off an elevated program inherit the same privileges). Once a program gets superuser privileges then yes any program can do whatever it wants to your system.

One thing that worried me with the Origin software was that it did request superuser privileges without telling me for what on its first run. I would rather know what a program is intending to do before allowing that (and I know that Steam never requests superuser rights to run the actual program).

 
Skyheart  posted on Feb 15, 2012 6:22:57 PM - Report post

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@sleepingsecret: The "NO GUARENTEES" you posted is exactly what I explained in my post. No software in the world can guarantee most of that. Something will work perfectly on one persons system, but might seem bug-ridden on another. The non-guarenteed access to Steam part is also in what I explained, in that unless you set a game to play offline, Steam verifies the game online every time you play. If the servers are extremely busy or offline, you'll not be able to play it. I've only had that problem once in two years and 477 games.

Most, if not all modern games scan your hardware. They have to in order to determine whether a game meets the minimum requirements, and to set the automatic graphic options if its designed to do so. Steam is a digital games platform. Go figure. The only time it purposely scans your hardware and sends it to someone is when they're carrying out a survey of hardware configurations, at which point you're prompted to allow or deny the scan, and then again to allow or deny the transmission of that information. The only folder it scans is its own. I'm still not seeing anything other than your own say-so to prove what you're saying.

People may complain about it, but they'll still use it. I enjoy BioWare games, especially Mass Effect, so I still buy EA published games. Though I hate EA and Origin, I'll still use it. Way to insult people because you can't justify your argument. It's not "the cool thing to do". People have extremely valid reasons to distrust and dislike EA and Origin. Just because you like/don't mind them doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.

EA stated that they pulled a lot of games from Steam due to unreasonable demands on pricing, DLC usage and contact with users (something like that anyway), which is a complete steaming load. They just happen to have an alternative digital download platform which they just launched to grab a piece of the digital market when these complaints arose. Not to mention the fact that if those unreasonable demands where accurate, they'd have had no problem pulling their entire catalogue from Steam.

@Neo: Yeah, you're right about UAC. I didn't mention it because I have it disabled. It caused havoc with my setup a while ago so I've always disabled it. Likewise, I didn't know about Origin wanting superuser privileges.

 
sleepingsecret  posted on Feb 15, 2012 7:21:12 PM - Report post

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@sleepingsecret: The "NO GUARENTEES" you posted is exactly what I explained in my post. No software in the world can guarantee most of that. Something will work perfectly on one persons system, but might seem bug-ridden on another. The non-guarenteed access to Steam part is also in what I explained, in that unless you set a game to play offline, Steam verifies the game online every time you play. If the servers are extremely busy or offline, you'll not be able to play it. I've only had that problem once in two years and 477 games.

Most, if not all modern games scan your hardware. They have to in order to determine whether a game meets the minimum requirements, and to set the automatic graphic options if its designed to do so. Steam is a digital games platform. Go figure. The only time it purposely scans your hardware and sends it to someone is when they're carrying out a survey of hardware configurations, at which point you're prompted to allow or deny the scan, and then again to allow or deny the transmission of that information. The only folder it scans is its own. I'm still not seeing anything other than your own say-so to prove what you're saying.

People may complain about it, but they'll still use it. I enjoy BioWare games, especially Mass Effect, so I still buy EA published games. Though I hate EA and Origin, I'll still use it. Way to insult people because you can't justify your argument. It's not "the cool thing to do". People have extremely valid reasons to distrust and dislike EA and Origin. Just because you like/don't mind them doesn't mean everyone else is wrong.

EA stated that they pulled a lot of games from Steam due to unreasonable demands on pricing, DLC usage and contact with users (something like that anyway), which is a complete steaming load. They just happen to have an alternative digital download platform which they just launched to grab a piece of the digital market when these complaints arose. Not to mention the fact that if those unreasonable demands where accurate, they'd have had no problem pulling their entire catalogue from Steam.

@Neo: Yeah, you're right about UAC. I didn't mention it because I have it disabled. It caused havoc with my setup a while ago so I've always disabled it. Likewise, I didn't know about Origin wanting superuser privileges.

I posted a huge thing about Valve and their user agreement where it says they have the right to scan your computer. No, I find it wrong when people jump on the hatred bandwagon because it is cool. Every gaming company scans your system in one way or another but they do not transmit it. People just hate and distrust EA/Origins because it is the norm.

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