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Telapicus_old  posted on Mar 18, 2010 6:35:53 AM - Report post


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originally posted by Kman25

Didn't you know all pc gamers are pirates that is what ubisoft and other publishers think.Also they should be surprised how much the 360 gets pirated also.Whats next we only have the right to rent and not own the game.People will buy the game and bend over and say more please.

yep that's right all of us are pirates we surf the net for the next bounty.

hmm maybe someone should think about the 3 million steam customers that buy games you only pirate if the game is asking for it like game development companies with excessive anti cracking security measures.

And generally because you don't want to spend $100 on some poorly made port or $1 bargain bin game.

Now please mods lock this thread its so off topic its funny.

[Edited by Telapicus, 3/18/2010 6:36:42 AM]

 
stoooo  posted on Mar 21, 2010 9:16:07 PM - Report post

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Cripple the software (any software, not just games), impose odious or intrusive monitoring, et cetera, and I'm outta there. And not just with respect to a specific product. If the company earns my wrath, I never, ever do business with them again. NEVER. This applies also to other forms of customer abuse. After removing numerous instances of the Sony rootkit from my customers' systems about four years ago (another one just popped up the other day!), I resolved never to buy another product with the Sony name on it. I've kept firmly to that decision, and it's made for life.

I have no clue how many people think like me, but obviously there are not nearly enough of us. As for piracy, I've personally opted out, but nonetheless I quietly applaud the smart, plucky crackers who defeat the best-laid scams of the abusers. May they never go unopposed. I long for the days when gamers and developers ran game companies.

No matter which side of the argument you're on, there are two immutable facts which you cannot ignore:

1. All DRM has some negative effect on paying customers.
2. No DRM has any effect on piracy.

That being the case, why on earth would any company use it? Why use a system that costs you money to implement, makes your product worse, and does not reduce piracy in any way?

I think corporations believe in DRM the same way gullible people believe in homeopathy. It doesn't hold up to any rational examination, but it somehow makes them FEEL better. Piracy is going to happen no matter what, but they feel the need to do SOMETHING, even if it's completely futile.

Some people with an incurable, fatal disease will try ANYTHING to stave off the inevitable, no matter how expensive, unpleasant or ridiculous. No amount of reasoning will convince them to just accept their fate and just make the most of what time they have left. That same mechanism is at work in the corporate hive-mind. No matter how irrational, they HAVE to come up with more and more insane DRM schemes. They are simply not capable of accepting the inevitable.

The problem with internet people is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. I'd bet good money that 99% of the people grousing about the DRM in their copy of Assassin's Creed 2 will go out and buy Assassin's Creed 3.

Here's a thought: DON'T.

Companies aren't interested in public opinion, or keeping their customers happy, or producing a good product. They are interested in MAKING MONEY.

Stealing certainly isn't the answer because a.) it's unethical, and b.) it gives the company a convenient excuse for falling profits. Push it hard enough, and you'll see some sort of RIAA-esque cadre of lawyers descending on the internet in a swarm on behalf of the gaming industry.

The answer is simple: don't buy crippled products. If you give them money, then you are telling the company that you condone their behavior, regardless of your internet wailing and gnashing of teeth. If you steal the product, you are telling the company that you condone their behavior, but lack the moral fiber to pay for the goods you use. If you don't approve of DRM, DON'T PLAY THE GAME.

DRM , (Dumb Ridiculous and Moronic)

Oh And stay off of my lawn.

 
DJAlucard  posted on Mar 22, 2010 3:13:52 AM - Report post

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Cripple the software (any software, not just games), impose odious or intrusive monitoring, et cetera, and I'm outta there. And not just with respect to a specific product. If the company earns my wrath, I never, ever do business with them again. NEVER. This applies also to other forms of customer abuse. After removing numerous instances of the Sony rootkit from my customers' systems about four years ago (another one just popped up the other day!), I resolved never to buy another product with the Sony name on it. I've kept firmly to that decision, and it's made for life.

I have no clue how many people think like me, but obviously there are not nearly enough of us. As for piracy, I've personally opted out, but nonetheless I quietly applaud the smart, plucky crackers who defeat the best-laid scams of the abusers. May they never go unopposed. I long for the days when gamers and developers ran game companies.

No matter which side of the argument you're on, there are two immutable facts which you cannot ignore:

1. All DRM has some negative effect on paying customers.
2. No DRM has any effect on piracy.

That being the case, why on earth would any company use it? Why use a system that costs you money to implement, makes your product worse, and does not reduce piracy in any way?

I think corporations believe in DRM the same way gullible people believe in homeopathy. It doesn't hold up to any rational examination, but it somehow makes them FEEL better. Piracy is going to happen no matter what, but they feel the need to do SOMETHING, even if it's completely futile.

Some people with an incurable, fatal disease will try ANYTHING to stave off the inevitable, no matter how expensive, unpleasant or ridiculous. No amount of reasoning will convince them to just accept their fate and just make the most of what time they have left. That same mechanism is at work in the corporate hive-mind. No matter how irrational, they HAVE to come up with more and more insane DRM schemes. They are simply not capable of accepting the inevitable.

The problem with internet people is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. I'd bet good money that 99% of the people grousing about the DRM in their copy of Assassin's Creed 2 will go out and buy Assassin's Creed 3.

Here's a thought: DON'T.

Companies aren't interested in public opinion, or keeping their customers happy, or producing a good product. They are interested in MAKING MONEY.

Stealing certainly isn't the answer because a.) it's unethical, and b.) it gives the company a convenient excuse for falling profits. Push it hard enough, and you'll see some sort of RIAA-esque cadre of lawyers descending on the internet in a swarm on behalf of the gaming industry.

The answer is simple: don't buy crippled products. If you give them money, then you are telling the company that you condone their behavior, regardless of your internet wailing and gnashing of teeth. If you steal the product, you are telling the company that you condone their behavior, but lack the moral fiber to pay for the goods you use. If you don't approve of DRM, DON'T PLAY THE GAME.

DRM , (Dumb Ridiculous and Moronic)

Oh And stay off of my lawn.

Point!

 
kaizer88  posted on Mar 26, 2010 2:53:58 AM - Report post

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Well I wrote into Ubisoft and this is what they had to say...

We appreciate you voicing your concerns about our new Online Services Platform that will be offered in “name of the game”. We feel strongly that the platform will offer benefits to the player, in form of services such as unlimited installs and that these services justify the permanent online requirement. We truly feel that the vast majority of gamers will have a smooth and easy experience with this platform.

Unlimited install from HK ?
Imagine what happened when the sales are poor & its more than 5 yrs? I surely believe they will turn off their server thus EXPIRING all of your game & save games too when u want to play it
What happened then ? since when a game had AN EXPIRED DATE too ?
Not only its being limited by OS development but now even we have server lifetime to be worried too !

Smooth & easy exp from Djibouti ?
Try it when u had saves it for more than 112x times... u will feel suddenly the loading times become long & longer too !
Also what happened when u replace a old copy with other saves accidentally ? u can't paste it back since u don't have the original

Plus its totally a big naive BS & a lame excuse too if they think they can protect the game with this kind of draconian policy!
Its will attract more piracy since the game is UNWORTHY of this kind of DRM, its will forced many gamers to just pirate the game since its cheaper & don't need to have internet connection
If u live in Angola or Suriname or Fiji, its mean u can only play the game either by pirating or by some luck since its hard to get a fast internet connection in there... its just totally not logical at all !

By implementing that kind of DRM, Ubi had surely limiting the game market to just its most loyal fans & since there are a lot of savage competition, its just a matter of times before all is lost then...
Any new gamer won't be so interested in playing a game with cumbersome installation & strict requirement while the game itself is just PLAIN or so so...

So what if u can leap from a tower to tower ? u can leap like that too in other games...even in a spider costume or in a hood
So what if u can silently assassinate someone, many other game had allowed u to that... even with more fun more brutal too
So what if u can run like a ninja... many other REAL NINJA game allowed u to move like that too... even faster or more epic too
So what if u are a bad ass assassin... many other game had depicted a bad ass assassin too like one from Tenchu in old times or Hitman in modern times
What happened with SHunter 5 ? its so buggy !!!

 
Greenpakto  posted on Mar 26, 2010 11:01:22 AM - Report post

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You do not own the game. You own a piece of the game, that ONLY works if you are connected to THEIR servers. You play the game at their terms even though you have payed a hafty sum of 50 dollars.
Its just like wow, you never own you characters or the gameworld, well yuo own the game for a month each time you repay. LOL, thats why I NEVER play or buy online games that only works on the developers servers. You dont own the game!
If the server crashes, you must wait until THEY reboot.
In 10 years for now "WOW" has most likely been shutdown, and therefore resulting in that all your characters and spent time is in vain. You never own a game that requires internet connection.
I love games that support lan and dedicated servers. Hate games that dont support it...
 
Neo7  posted on Mar 26, 2010 11:08:42 AM - Report post

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originally posted by Kman25

Didn't you know all pc gamers are pirates that is what ubisoft and other publishers think.Also they should be surprised how much the 360 gets pirated also.Whats next we only have the right to rent and not own the game.People will buy the game and bend over and say more please.

yep that's right all of us are pirates we surf the net for the next bounty.

hmm maybe someone should think about the 3 million steam customers that buy games you only pirate if the game is asking for it like game development companies with excessive anti cracking security measures.

And generally because you don't want to spend $100 on some poorly made port or $1 bargain bin game.

Now please mods lock this thread its so off topic its funny.

[Edited by Telapicus, 3/18/2010 6:36:42 AM]

You know. There's this new feature called "Report Post" that was introduced 3 years ago. Quite handy to use to bring the attention of mods to something like this.

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