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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 3:22:28 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

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Ok, so you idealise him with a veil of perfection which would be compromised by the crudeness of imagery?

Do you think that justifies the barbaric and aggressive methods of which you enforce what is sacred to you? Doesn't it compromise itself to follow a religion which claims to pursue peace yet, appears to be excessively hostile with seemingly every conflicting situation? I realise I'm talking about generalisations but, not so much that I'm wrong.

We don't "enforce" anything, could you be more clear on whom you're talking about?

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 5:18:43 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

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You're christian right?
Well if so, would you care if someone drew Jesus as a Stick man?


As I said before, if you actually knew more about Islam than reading w/e parts you want, you'd know that we wouldn't like anyone to draw or be the character of any other prophet not just mohammad.

And I would never draw or offend jesus in any way because us muslims also believe in jesus, just not the same exact way you guys do.

Shouldn't this be in the GD?

Me? Christian? Ha

Well, I'm trying to approach the issue logically, the idea of just drawing something is seemingly meaningless. I'm trying to understand the rationality of it, I would understand in your religion getting angry if someone made fun of Muhammad or something. All religions get angry if you make fun of them.

But to get angry by simply drawing him?

I realise you believe that Muhammad is perfect or something and an image will never be enough to "contain his perfection" and I can understand that idea but, why does that mean you aren't allowed to do it?

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 5:22:47 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

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 quote:
 originally posted by Dancer:

Ok, so you idealise him with a veil of perfection which would be compromised by the crudeness of imagery?

Do you think that justifies the barbaric and aggressive methods of which you enforce what is sacred to you? Doesn't it compromise itself to follow a religion which claims to pursue peace yet, appears to be excessively hostile with seemingly every conflicting situation? I realise I'm talking about generalisations but, not so much that I'm wrong.

We don't "enforce" anything, could you be more clear on whom you're talking about?

Well, there was that situation when a teacher nicknamed a teddy bear muhammad and she had to leave the country or something. I remember reading a comment on the issue made by a muslim which expressed his desire to behead her.

There was that other situation when that Danish cartoonist made fun of Muhammad in his little drawing and muslims burned down embassies and killed people.

Again, I might be generalising but, that's not the issue.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 5:34:47 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

I don't think I ever said mohammad is perfect, only god is perfect.

And I believe any christian who is religious wouldn't be happy if you draw a stick man and said it was jesus.

And as I said before, drawing an image of any prophet isn't right, because no one is like them, and drawing an image if them would mean that this character got the same personality as them.

To be honest I could fail giving you the exact reason why this isn't allowed, just because I never really searched through this matter, I'm sure someone else would be able to make this a bit clearer.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 5:45:22 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

 quote:
 originally posted by Rami:

I don't think I ever said mohammad is perfect, only god is perfect.

And I believe any christian who is religious wouldn't be happy if you draw a stick man and said it was jesus.

And as I said before, drawing an image of any prophet isn't right, because no one is like them, and drawing an image if them would mean that this character got the same personality as them.

To be honest I could fail giving you the exact reason why this isn't allowed, just because I never really searched through this matter, I'm sure someone else would be able to make this a bit clearer.

Christians sometimes wear a cross around their neck with a little dead Jesus on it, I don't think they're fussed about imagery. I mean, obviously Jesus wasn't white but, people seem to think he is. It's not a big deal.

I'm not asking people what they think because I want the correct answer or anything, I just want to hear people's thoughts and opinions.

[Edited by Dancer, 4/21/2010 5:45:47 AM]

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 5:51:51 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

As Rami and the Jesus argument, South Park have been making fun of Jesus since season 1.

At what ZS said about not enforcing anything, does the death threats the south park creators have received since showing Muhammad not count at an attempt on enforcing?

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 5:55:33 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

 quote:
 originally posted by Dancer:

 quote:
 originally posted by Rami:

You're christian right?
Well if so, would you care if someone drew Jesus as a Stick man?


As I said before, if you actually knew more about Islam than reading w/e parts you want, you'd know that we wouldn't like anyone to draw or be the character of any other prophet not just mohammad.

And I would never draw or offend jesus in any way because us muslims also believe in jesus, just not the same exact way you guys do.

Shouldn't this be in the GD?

Me? Christian? Ha

Well, I'm trying to approach the issue logically, the idea of just drawing something is seemingly meaningless. I'm trying to understand the rationality of it, I would understand in your religion getting angry if someone made fun of Muhammad or something. All religions get angry if you make fun of them.

But to get angry by simply drawing him?

I realise you believe that Muhammad is perfect or something and an image will never be enough to "contain his perfection" and I can understand that idea but, why does that mean you aren't allowed to do it?

Perfection is not a quality. It is a standard.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 5:57:14 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

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 quote:
 originally posted by Dancer:

 quote:
 originally posted by Rami:

You're christian right?
Well if so, would you care if someone drew Jesus as a Stick man?


As I said before, if you actually knew more about Islam than reading w/e parts you want, you'd know that we wouldn't like anyone to draw or be the character of any other prophet not just mohammad.

And I would never draw or offend jesus in any way because us muslims also believe in jesus, just not the same exact way you guys do.

Shouldn't this be in the GD?

Me? Christian? Ha

Well, I'm trying to approach the issue logically, the idea of just drawing something is seemingly meaningless. I'm trying to understand the rationality of it, I would understand in your religion getting angry if someone made fun of Muhammad or something. All religions get angry if you make fun of them.

But to get angry by simply drawing him?

I realise you believe that Muhammad is perfect or something and an image will never be enough to "contain his perfection" and I can understand that idea but, why does that mean you aren't allowed to do it?

Perfection is not a quality. It is a standard.

It's probably more an ideal.

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