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All the new characters seem a bit unbelievable to me. I can't see these types actually surviving Z-Day. The first game's characters, maybe, but these...not so much.

Let's look at this.

Bill is a vet, Francis is a biker, Zoey is a horror enthusiast, and Louis knows his way around a rifle.

By contrast, Coach is just a highschool football coach, not really having any combat experience, Ellis is a small-town mechanic, and Rochelle is a pampered Producer. Nick is an ex-con so he might have combat experience. Ellis might know his way around a gun, seeing how he was raised.

For me, I just don't see these characters making it. They don't have the skills required to save themselves in crisis.

Anyway, my favorite from the first game is either Francis, due to his sarcasm, or Bill, due to his story. From the second game, probably Nick, because of his history. He seems to be the most believable.

Well, technically, they're just immune to the virus, and at least statistically, the chances of having a veteran amongst them is fairly low.
Rochelle is the only one I can't really see as believable. Ellis pretty frequently mentions having a love of blowing stuff up, and was probably raised around firearms. Coach might not be in tip top shape, but being involved in sports actually teaches you a pretty good bit about violence - he knows how to take people (or infected, for that matter) down relatively efficiently. Nick is a conman, and the other characters mention that they aren't surprised that he's good with a gun, so it can be assumed he might have experience with firearms as well.
Though, if Zoey was a viable character, Rochelle technically could be, too - she probably heard what the government suggested survivors do firsthand (or at least secondhand) and could've produced violent TV shows, for all we know.

On topic: Bill for L4D1, Ellis for L4D2.

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Posted: Dec 14, 2009 2:45:24 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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 quote:
 originally posted by Zeth_Durron:

All the new characters seem a bit unbelievable to me. I can't see these types actually surviving Z-Day. The first game's characters, maybe, but these...not so much.

Let's look at this.

Bill is a vet, Francis is a biker, Zoey is a horror enthusiast, and Louis knows his way around a rifle.

By contrast, Coach is just a highschool football coach, not really having any combat experience, Ellis is a small-town mechanic, and Rochelle is a pampered Producer. Nick is an ex-con so he might have combat experience. Ellis might know his way around a gun, seeing how he was raised.

For me, I just don't see these characters making it. They don't have the skills required to save themselves in crisis.

Anyway, my favorite from the first game is either Francis, due to his sarcasm, or Bill, due to his story. From the second game, probably Nick, because of his history. He seems to be the most believable.

Well, technically, they're just immune to the virus, and at least statistically, the chances of having a veteran amongst them is fairly low.
Rochelle is the only one I can't really see as believable. Ellis pretty frequently mentions having a love of blowing stuff up, and was probably raised around firearms. Coach might not be in tip top shape, but being involved in sports actually teaches you a pretty good bit about violence - he knows how to take people (or infected, for that matter) down relatively efficiently. Nick is a conman, and the other characters mention that they aren't surprised that he's good with a gun, so it can be assumed he might have experience with firearms as well.
Though, if Zoey was a viable character, Rochelle technically could be, too - she probably heard what the government suggested survivors do firsthand (or at least secondhand) and could've produced violent TV shows, for all we know.

On topic: Bill for L4D1, Ellis for L4D2.

In Zoey's backstory, it mentions that she is a horror enthusiast. She watches horror movies, reads books, and focuses on zombie folklore. She's more believable than Rochelle.

My problem with the L4D2 survivors, is that they can pick up and instantly master any firearm they come into contact with. It breaks the immersion a bit. In the first game, it makes sense that they have experience with all the weapons. They are all fairly basic.

Take Coach for instance. Yes, he was involved in sports. Yes, he knows violence. But knowing how to take someone down doesn't equate to knowing the intricacies of all the weapons you see them using.

Which brings me to my next point...

For the L4D2 survivors, barring Nick, the experience just isn't there. There's a big difference between knowing how to do something, and actually being able to do it. That was my problem with Zoey, and it's my problem with Coach, Rochelle, and Ellis. Even if Ellis was raised around firearms, he most likely wasn't using them against people, seeing how naive he is.

That's been the problem with a lot of Valve games. Their stories are good, but the characters in them don't fit.

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 quote:
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 quote:
 originally posted by Zeth_Durron:

All the new characters seem a bit unbelievable to me. I can't see these types actually surviving Z-Day. The first game's characters, maybe, but these...not so much.

Let's look at this.

Bill is a vet, Francis is a biker, Zoey is a horror enthusiast, and Louis knows his way around a rifle.

By contrast, Coach is just a highschool football coach, not really having any combat experience, Ellis is a small-town mechanic, and Rochelle is a pampered Producer. Nick is an ex-con so he might have combat experience. Ellis might know his way around a gun, seeing how he was raised.

For me, I just don't see these characters making it. They don't have the skills required to save themselves in crisis.

Anyway, my favorite from the first game is either Francis, due to his sarcasm, or Bill, due to his story. From the second game, probably Nick, because of his history. He seems to be the most believable.

Well, technically, they're just immune to the virus, and at least statistically, the chances of having a veteran amongst them is fairly low.
Rochelle is the only one I can't really see as believable. Ellis pretty frequently mentions having a love of blowing stuff up, and was probably raised around firearms. Coach might not be in tip top shape, but being involved in sports actually teaches you a pretty good bit about violence - he knows how to take people (or infected, for that matter) down relatively efficiently. Nick is a conman, and the other characters mention that they aren't surprised that he's good with a gun, so it can be assumed he might have experience with firearms as well.
Though, if Zoey was a viable character, Rochelle technically could be, too - she probably heard what the government suggested survivors do firsthand (or at least secondhand) and could've produced violent TV shows, for all we know.

On topic: Bill for L4D1, Ellis for L4D2.

In Zoey's backstory, it mentions that she is a horror enthusiast. She watches horror movies, reads books, and focuses on zombie folklore. She's more believable than Rochelle.

My problem with the L4D2 survivors, is that they can pick up and instantly master any firearm they come into contact with. It breaks the immersion a bit. In the first game, it makes sense that they have experience with all the weapons. They are all fairly basic.

Take Coach for instance. Yes, he was involved in sports. Yes, he knows violence. But knowing how to take someone down doesn't equate to knowing the intricacies of all the weapons you see them using.

Which brings me to my next point...

For the L4D2 survivors, barring Nick, the experience just isn't there. There's a big difference between knowing how to do something, and actually being able to do it. That was my problem with Zoey, and it's my problem with Coach, Rochelle, and Ellis. Even if Ellis was raised around firearms, he most likely wasn't using them against people, seeing how naive he is.

That's been the problem with a lot of Valve games. Their stories are good, but the characters in them don't fit.

I do see your point, but the characters really haven't mastered any of the weapons. I mean, just look at the crosshair - it's HUGE. Their accuracy is horrible, and to even hope to hit someone far away you have to stop and crouch down.

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 quote:
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As the title says,
Who is your new favourite character for Left 4 Dead 2.

In the first one it was Francis for me, now it's Nick.

1st: Bill
2nd: Ellis

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In left for dead 2 its Ellis. Haven't played left for dead 1 yet
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Ellis is the most insane character Valve ever made in their games.
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