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Posted: Dec 02, 2011 6:14:32 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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I differ, since with Ulfric on command the Thalmor have an asset as the head of Skyrim. Not to mention they are racist aholes.

The only reason Talos worship is outlawed is because of the Thalmor, get rid of them, that goes away. The best chance Skyrim has is with the Empire and a united Tamriel, and of course Dovahkiin, The Dragonborn.

Empire was weak back in Oblivion. It's even weaker now. Specially now since another emperor was assassinated. Also I can't remember exactly but someone in Skyrim said he can't get any more Imperial soldiers due to a risky situation in Cyrodiil. It could have been Tullius who said that.

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Posted: Dec 02, 2011 6:25:30 PM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

@Monkey007 When you have to sneak into the embassy, for information on why the dragons are being reawaken, read the file of Ulfric Stormcloak, is in the same chest as the one for Esbern, and that other chick who sends you in the mission to begin with.

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When does it say the Emperor was murdered?
The high king of skyrim was murdered by Ulfric, but the plot to kill the emperor with the dark brotherhood Spoiler:
fails at first. It is only later that you kill him, and even then it is because of your choices.

[Edited by Lizml86, 12/2/2011 6:28:46 PM]

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Status: Asset (uncooperative), Dormant, Emissary Level Approval

Description: Jarl of Windhelm, leader of Stormcloak rebellion, Imperial Legion veteran

Background: Ulfric first came to our attention during the First War Against the Empire, when he was taken as a prisoner of war during the campaign for the White-Gold Tower. Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value (son of the Jarl of Windhelm) and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen. He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City (the city had in fact fallen before he had broken), and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset.The so-called Markarth Incident was particularly valuable from the point of view of our strategic goals in Skyrim, although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.

Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility (under extreme circumstances), but in general the asset should be considered dormant. As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off. The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim. (NOTE: The coincidental intervention of the dragon at Helgen is still under scrutiny. The obvious conclusion is that whoever is behind the dragons also has an interest in the continuation of the war, but we should not assume therefore that their goals align with our own.) A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed.

I decided to google it because I have read the file in-game quite some time ago.

I find this part the most interesting:
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A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managed.

They simply didn't count on a Dragonborn helping either side...

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Yup, they wanted the fight to keep going. Weaken the enemy on both sides. And Gosh darn it, I will make them all pay!
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 quote:
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 quote:
 originally posted by Lizml86:

I differ, since with Ulfric on command the Thalmor have an asset as the head of Skyrim. Not to mention they are racist aholes.

The only reason Talos worship is outlawed is because of the Thalmor, get rid of them, that goes away. The best chance Skyrim has is with the Empire and a united Tamriel, and of course Dovahkiin, The Dragonborn.

Empire was weak back in Oblivion. It's even weaker now. Specially now since another emperor was assassinated. Also I can't remember exactly but someone in Skyrim said he can't get any more Imperial soldiers due to a risky situation in Cyrodiil. It could have been Tullius who said that.

I suggest when you are doing dark brotherhood line you read Cicero's Journal's to find out what has happened in cyrodiil

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Okay, I'm on my second play-through and I'm leaning towards helping the Empire on this run. First run I was a woodelf and saw the Stormcloaks as being in the right, that is until I was done with a couple of their missions. Ulfric seemed at first to be hesitant about being High King and just wanted what was good for his people. But, after being deeper in the missions it just felt wrong and he was getting power-hungry and obsessive over the high king role.
My play-style in most games are of Knight-errant. Roaming the world to right the wrongs (even most dark brotherhood and thieves guild quests you "dispatch" or steal from those who are not all that good, most being described as evil or ne'er-do-wells). So on my first run of the game I saw the Stormcloaks as fighting the injustice of an oppressive government and laws. But after I was done... I just felt dirty.
But, none of that will stop be from killing any Thalmor that cross my path LOL
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Just be a werewolf and flippin kill everyone!!!
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Posted: Dec 03, 2011 1:54:42 PM - Report post  (2)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

i have a solution. I kill ulfric, I kill the Emperor, become the empress myself, kick Thalmor ass myself. Le done.
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