General Discussions

-That was Godric Griffindorks sword, pulled out the hat by Potter, not Dumblydoor plus it doesn't shoot lightning.
-If you dont know where you're going, you cant apparate, so it's useless for exploring new places. Horses aren't, however, plus the horse helped save Faramir by knocking over Denethor, which apparation wouldn't.
-Gandalf died fighting a super-demon, something cool, not just one shot death like Dumbledore. And he came back with more power. Dumbledore just died, and by being an idiot
-If you want to mock the Balrog, flaming sheep would be appropriate as they were Ram style horns, not Bull And Gandalf did kill it remember? And it was a sacrifice too, since he stayed behind to let the others escape Moria.

So I believe Gandalf comes out on top with those points there

Dumbledore sat around giving vague hints, clues, and useless riddles which almost got people killed. Gandalf was active. Dumbledore fights Voldemort once, and thats about it. Gandalf faced off with Saruman three times, drawing blood the first time, countering a weather spell the second time, countering possession the third time, the fourth time breaking his staff and surviving a large fireball unscathed, and he fought dozens of orcs and goblins and killed large attack trolls in the seige of Gondor, and he faced off with the Witch King of Agmar (sadly interrupted) and was an all-round helpful fellow.

Would Snape be able to kill a Balrog? No, but he was able to kill Dumbledore. It's simple logic.


[Edited by potato_chips, 5/14/2010 7:41:57 AM]

-Nevertheless. The sword belongs to the headmaster. Who's the headmaster? Oh yes. Dumbledore is. Oh and one more thing. The sword has the ability to absorb, for lack of a better term, the powers of whatever it's defeated/fought. For instance, the sword gained the qualities of basilisk blood ater it was used to kill the basilisk by Harry Potter in his second year at Hogwarts.
-Apparition is obviously the best way to travel. Without a doubt. You cannot deny that. And if he really wanted to explore a new place, he'd just tag along on a little ride with Fawkes. Flying is much better than riding around on a stupid horse. And if he really wanted to throw someone of a cliff, he'd use an expelliarmus charm, or perhaps a hurling hex. Heck, even just pushing him would work. Though Dumbledore would never do that for he is a kind soul who wouldn't want to hurt someone else.
-Gandalf's death was not sacrifice. He did not choose to stand and fight. He brought down the bridge and walked away. Then the Balrog made him fall of the edge of the bridge using his whip. Gandalf's death was in no way intentional. True he did beat the Balrog, but then he was far to weak to do anything else but die. Therefore, he's a big sissy pants.

So I believe Dumbledore come out on top wit hthose points there.

Dumbledore was the best inspirational leader the world's, albeit fake or not, ever seen. Gandalf could never live up to Dumbledore's standards.

Dumbledore allowed Snape to kill him. Otherwise Draco would ave been murdered by Voldemorte for not following through, and Snape would have been killed via the unbreakable promise he made with Draco's mother. He threw himself on the loaded gun and saved two, if not more, lives. It's a sacrifice.

I pleasantly await your rebuttal, sir.

And for Loopy: This is not a LOTR vs. HP debate. Though for the record, HP would win. And you've obviously never read, and probably never seen any of the movies for that fact, any of the books. So I'm just going to ignore that thing you call a "viable point".

Nobody ever said he would come back...?

And did you not read my last post?