Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight Discussion
Thank's again CH.
Back to topic, you see, we feel that people that actually BUY the game and support the game developers shouldn't be made to suffer and not get trainers that work with their legitimate games. Even though it's 100x more difficult to train a legit game (another reason why the talentless h4x0r only does scene games) we feel it's important to do so.
It is ironic that a ripped trainer should perform better (i.e. on more versions) than yours, the original.
I must say that your methods have becomer harsher and harsher over the years, just as an example; more and more trainers have options that cannot be de-activated once enabled. (Borderlands (HP, Shields) and Just Cause 2 (HP) are just a few new examples.)
Also, the negative propaganda against h4x0r is increasing a lot. Even though I strongly agree with you, it's getting more and more - one small notice would be enough for any intelligent user of your site to understand that h4x0r is simply a ripper. I don't care if h4x0r is less talented, but as his product works where yours does not - it's kind of a losing situation for you, hard to argue against.
And for the record; C&C4 does, due to it's quality (or gross lack thereof), not, in any way, deserve to be bought. As a disgrace to PC gaming, RTS games and not to mention Joe Kucan(!) this game is bound to fail.
Yes, you're producing quality content, and I'm grateful (and paying for it) that you do - but I'm starting to disagree with your methods and views on several important matters. As a cheating site you shouldn't take a side in the ever-lasting piracy conflict, this is not your damn responsibility, in any way. It's always up to the End User (as in EULA) to follow that agreement. You have a supply and demand of your own, and that has nothing to do with retail or pirated games - it has to do with cheats and trainers for said games.
I'm hoping to see trainers for more modern games, indiscriminate of whether they're Steam, Retail, D2D or Scene - that's the content you're producing. (Cheats, and trainers - simple.)
Don't be hypocritical either (I remember Assassin's Creed, on another note), if you want to exclusively produce content for Retail games - STATE THAT CLEARLY.
Please be advised that this is no flame, I'm trying to argument for and against certain points that you've recently started to focus strongly on. If you feel that this is inappropriate for this thread, feel free to move it. If you just remove it, however, it simply spells fascism. (And we don't need any more of that in this god-forsaken world.)
Best regards on your good work though, guys - I sincerely appreciate it.
[Edited by PeTTs0n, 3/27/2010 1:58:18 PM]
We are not on either side of the piracy battle. If we were then we would only make trainers for the REAL versions of games on EVERY GAME and make sure that they did not work on ANY pirated versions, as it's quite easy for us to do that.
As far as your statement that this game should not be purchased because it's not worthy? That's bullshit and you know it. If it's worthy of a THEFT then it's worthy of a PURCHASE. Your singular opinion does not negate the hard work that hundreds of people on the development team put into the game. You don't like it, that's fine, put it aside and move on. Don't come here asking for cheats for your pirated version. If it's not worth a play, then it's not worth a play, pirated or not.
As far as our negative campaign against h4x0r, we will continue to bring the battle to his doorstep at every opportunity until he stops ripping our work. We have lots of resources and will use those resources at every possible turn. We've tried the nice, diplomatic approach which got us nowhere. So now we'll try some new tactics.
Well - it has functionality your version lacks, to put it simple.
I never said your trainers should be able to detect any possible game versions, but they are often intrusive, (for example, permanently changing values, such as the ones mentioned in my last post) and that might cause problems with some games and game versions.
Oh, it sure as hell would be easy to cut pirates out of the loop - unfortunately you'd lose a lot of customers due to that, and I doubt that'd be a logical reasoning, just because "oh well, they've pirated the game, so they don't deserve our trainer(s)".
Regarding to your theft statement: again, simply; utter bull****. Piracy is not, say again: NOT theft. I could just ignore those lines, because they're based on imaginatory comparisons, but anyhow:
1) You're buying a product.
2) If the product does not meet the stated specifications of the description of the product - it is not worth buying. (i.e. customer laws - in many countries you have the right to a full refund if the product doesn't meet said specifications.)
3) C&C4 states to be a game (it isn't, it sure as hell isn't fun), in the RTS genre (it sure isn't, they've removed the core of the RTS genre from the game) and several other statements.
4) So therefore, the game doesn't conform to specs.
5) Not worth buying.
As a comparison: Would you buy a 4-legged chair (big letters on the box) with one of the legs being 50% shorter (not mentioned)? It IS 4-legged, and it is a chair - but is it worth buying?
Of course, this is to take the issue further than possible in any matter - I'm just putting it out, the theoretical way.
It's sad to see that you're ignoring a lot of your customers. They should be your main focus, not the customers of the game makers.
As for h4x0r; to be honest, it feels like he's just not worth your guys' time - it's not like there wont always be cheapskates around. I feel your Mafia methods are getting somewhat disturbing though.
I'm still "loyal" to CH though, I'm here for the cheats and trainers - not all this other bull****. That's what I payed for, and I consider that worth it.
It's not always necessary to overcomplicate things, keep them simple and sometimes that'll work out better. As I mentioned before, no hard feelings, and I still support you in matters that follow the spirit of the site and the products herein.
[Edited by PeTTs0n, 3/27/2010 2:27:44 PM]
Anyways, as I said before, it's 100x easier to make a trainer for a cracked version of a game. This is why you see more options in other groups trainers. We have to work with the protection intact which many times includes GFWL type anti-cheat scanning that we must defeat in order to make it work with the legit versions. h4x0r couldn't do that if his life depended on it. This is why he always has to wait for someone to crack the games. We could make a +500 for this game using the cracked version, but we wouldn't have the time to put those options in the legit version of the trainer and it's not exactly fair to give pirates more options in their trainers than legit owners. We don't condone piracy and we sure as heck don't want to give people MORE of a reason to get the pirated version vs. the legit game.
You'll probably also find that h4x0r's trainer for this game (among many others) also works for the enemy AI. Not exactly what I would call a "quality" release, but hey, you get what you pay for I guess.
We will continue making quality trainers that support as many versions as possible, but we will ALWAYS work with the LEGIT version FIRST as we refuse to leave those people out in the cold while the software pirates get to enjoy trainers that legit users cannot.
We are currently working on new options for this game as time allows but please remember that we also have tons of other games and updates that must be supported.
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