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I just LOVE pirates NOT!
 
Dhampy  posted on Sep 08, 2009 2:15:41 PM - Report post

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originally posted by Velvet Assassin

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originally posted by Dlenny2259

I just love pirates who download a game ilegally and then go on boards like this one looking for solutions when it doesn't work! Heres me playing the worlds smallest violin for all you piartes and the problems with the games you ilegally download. You know what Go buy the game and then you can moan groan and complain like the rest of us when it doesn't work! You guys are the resaon for things like SecuROM!

whatever you say!
i love pirates and everyone connected with piracy,
its just because of them we can play expensive games

Here's an idea - Get a job and earn money, then you can play expensive games! Amazing, right?

Games aren't expensive. The sticker price is less than they were in the past (my reference is my childhood) and the worlds currency is worth about half as much now as then. The result is that games are less than half as expensive as they used to be: in other words- games are cheap!

 
slemb0rg  posted on Sep 08, 2009 3:41:37 PM - Report post

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originally posted by potato_chips

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originally posted by Velvet Assassin

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originally posted by Dlenny2259

I just love pirates who download a game ilegally and then go on boards like this one looking for solutions when it doesn't work! Heres me playing the worlds smallest violin for all you piartes and the problems with the games you ilegally download. You know what Go buy the game and then you can moan groan and complain like the rest of us when it doesn't work! You guys are the resaon for things like SecuROM!

whatever you say!
i love pirates and everyone connected with piracy,
its just because of them we can play expensive games

Here's an idea - Get a job and earn money, then you can play expensive games! Amazing, right?

Another idea:
Don't judge people in forums by statements, maybe people are earning money doing whatever jobs, maybe people simply use their money on more important stuff, and maybe they download.

Just a thought, and ohh, i'm very tired.

 
Shibby  posted on Sep 08, 2009 4:03:27 PM - Report post

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originally posted by slemb0rg

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originally posted by potato_chips

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originally posted by Velvet Assassin

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originally posted by Dlenny2259

I just love pirates who download a game ilegally and then go on boards like this one looking for solutions when it doesn't work! Heres me playing the worlds smallest violin for all you piartes and the problems with the games you ilegally download. You know what Go buy the game and then you can moan groan and complain like the rest of us when it doesn't work! You guys are the resaon for things like SecuROM!

whatever you say!
i love pirates and everyone connected with piracy,
its just because of them we can play expensive games

Here's an idea - Get a job and earn money, then you can play expensive games! Amazing, right?

Another idea:
Don't judge people in forums by statements, maybe people are earning money doing whatever jobs, maybe people simply use their money on more important stuff, and maybe they download.

Just a thought, and ohh, i'm very tired.

I didn't make a judgement, it was a suggestion. The post I replied to seems to suggest games are too expensive (which they aren't, or they wouldn't sell). So I have suggested a way they may obtain games legally.

Games are a luxury, if you can't afford it then that's no excuse to resort to crime, it's just greedy.

 
PeTTs0n  posted on Sep 08, 2009 7:03:15 PM - Report post

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I will say only one word for the ongoing debate: Stardock (and their CEO Brad Wardell). This Link has a nice statement from them.

Oh and for the record, the IP (there is no such thing as Intellectual Property - you CAN'T own a thought or an idea, as that would be scaringly close to mind controlling; 1984, anyone?) laws are FUBAR. I hope, for the sake of having any free speech, thought or any individual properties left, that the pirates "win" this arms race, although I strongly encourage buying any product that is worth buying. (Don't see the price tag of a game, see the value of it.)

Also (I've been making this statement forever); pirating ISN'T - and can never be compared to - stealing, as digital media (1s and 0s) does not physically exist, and can be copied without any cost to anything whatsoever. (Except your own hard drive and network connection.) If you wouldn't have bought a game in the first place, there's no reason to deny you from downloading (pirating) it instead. (Theoretically, the problem is preventing this from becoming a habit.)

Spreading culture, knowledge, entertainment - if you haven't got the ability, for whatever reason, to pay for it - shouldn't be illegal, instead buying it should be encouraged and should provide some sort of added value, something pirates wouldn't get. Such as physical collectibles, in-game special items(or whatever), soundtracks, extra missions/maps and so on.

That would be in a perfect world, although with far too greedy companies and cheapskate pirates (people who DL everything, never buys stuff even if they can and should afford it) it's a long way there.

[Edited by PeTTs0n, 9/8/2009 7:08:38 PM]

 
Darkangel_Nor  posted on Sep 08, 2009 8:16:08 PM - Report post

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originally posted by PeTTs0n

I will say only one word for the ongoing debate: Stardock (and their CEO Brad Wardell). This Link has a nice statement from them.

Oh and for the record, the IP (there is no such thing as Intellectual Property - you CAN'T own a thought or an idea, as that would be scaringly close to mind controlling; 1984, anyone?) laws are FUBAR. I hope, for the sake of having any free speech, thought or any individual properties left, that the pirates "win" this arms race, although I strongly encourage buying any product that is worth buying. (Don't see the price tag of a game, see the value of it.)

Also (I've been making this statement forever); pirating ISN'T - and can never be compared to - stealing, as digital media (1s and 0s) does not physically exist, and can be copied without any cost to anything whatsoever. (Except your own hard drive and network connection.) If you wouldn't have bought a game in the first place, there's no reason to deny you from downloading (pirating) it instead. (Theoretically, the problem is preventing this from becoming a habit.)

Spreading culture, knowledge, entertainment - if you haven't got the ability, for whatever reason, to pay for it - shouldn't be illegal, instead buying it should be encouraged and should provide some sort of added value, something pirates wouldn't get. Such as physical collectibles, in-game special items(or whatever), soundtracks, extra missions/maps and so on.

That would be in a perfect world, although with far too greedy companies and cheapskate pirates (people who DL everything, never buys stuff even if they can and should afford it) it's a long way there.

[Edited by PeTTs0n, 9/8/2009 7:08:38 PM]

Your absolutely right, I couldnt have said it better myself

 
Realusionist  posted on Sep 09, 2009 1:17:53 AM - Report post

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As always due to my countries timing zones i'm always late for the show including this one or the Dhampy's thread.

But as long as members comment about their own thoughts and opinions that could be piracy/misuse of games or even most harsh subjects like religion or even holocaust, i think it'd be tolerable.

When it proceeds to the point of prescripting for other on what they do or how to think and even trying to prove someone's opinion's fault then faulty is upon us.

A mutual conversation is pretty natural, threads are based on it, but when there's become siding toward personal then irritating factors will be triggered.

Same matter happened on Dhampy's "Yale University..." thread, a totally quality thread changed to a "I love U" thread and i was reading posts i found nothing but nonsensicality. Some say member looking for a way empty it's depression, i think!

Now back to piracy or any other name that's claimed for it, it must be under notice of offenders and defenders that there's no equality in all countries for game fans.
Rates of wages and incomes are different, the availability of specific title's must be under notice and many many other things. But unfortunately the "Free-Of-Charge"(FOC) users prefer to praise this act as a credit to their abilities instead of telling the main reason or even avoiding conflicts with other members who respectively purchased the game.

These FOC members should and must bear in mind that proudly defending this clan of theirs could and would insult the ones who are bidding with common regulations. One who backs irregularity could be deductively known as a "Bad Character" in the movie!

[Edited by Realusionist, 9/9/2009 1:21:17 AM]

 
DABhand  posted on Sep 09, 2009 3:03:32 AM - Report post

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Just to inform people, re-read everything I said twice before you PM me that I called you a pirate :P

You will find that I didnt

 
Lithric  posted on Sep 09, 2009 10:27:15 AM - Report post

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Having realized your in another legal jurisdiction, I come to the conclusion that either A) You have a substantially more encompassing legal definition of the act of theft, or B) your personal opinion on what is and is not theft is not going to be altered by whatever the definition of theft may be.

In either case, my point hinges around this definition, and either case appears to make no difference to the discussion.

Considering I haven't been able to find a reliable British legal definition for theft, I'm going to go ahead and withdraw from the discussion to avoid adding additional noise to the debate.

[Edited by Lithric, 9/9/2009 10:27:57 AM]

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