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The Fallout universe is one in which there is essentially no one except the US and China left. Everyone else has been conquered or are non-entities.

that's very sad. Bethesda should re-work their geography. i'm a big fan of Fallout by the way.

[Edited by saurabhfzd, 8/1/2009 12:51:56 AM]

I'm not asking Bethesday to make the game take place in the Soviet Union or Europe but for them to have a larger role in the Wasteland. They include things like the Chinese submarine or the secret base of Chinese ghouls but other than a few characters there is little to say from the rest of the world.

It seems quite clear that the where the Soviet Union and Europe were still exist explained by Dukhov's and Mr Tenpenny's arrivals in the Capital Wasteland but maybe a DLC with a Velvet Curtain esque side quest involving Europeans or Soviets.

It would be arrogant of me to assume that they make a game set in Europe or the Soviet Union.

How is that sad? Do you know nothing of 20th century history? What else would a timeline in which the 1950s extended until 2077 entail?

Clearly: the US was only beginning to rise, the Chinese were working the early stages of building their economy but the foundation for their rise was already there. Europe had peaked and was falling fast, Russia had peaked. The rest of the world was the very definition of a non-entity.

Why should anyone else be the focus when they weren't a significant feature of WORLD HISTORY in the 1950s?

I wouldn't call Europe and the Soviet Union non entities in the twentieth century.

France for example was experiencing a large rise in their power during this time period with their re-establishment of African colonies under their 1946 constitution called the French Union. This would also develop in their own independent nuclear programme making them the third country to develop their own nuclear arms making them a serious presence during the cold war as their arms were not under American influence.

As for the Soviet Union they entered into a defence pact with China in 1950 so it makes little sense for them not to be mentioned as a part of the lore in that sense. Then there was Comecon and the Warsaw Pact and you cannot brush these organisations off as unimportant.

Also French and British colonialism as well as Soviet intervention could still be seen as existing as the Fallout lore constantly speaks of more aggressive domestic and foreign policy by countries.

Then I think it is a small favour to ask for more mention from the games than a some faint accents in characters and one sentence in one of the museums.

I didn't say that.

I said "Europe had peaked and was falling fast, Russia had peaked. The rest of the world was the very definition of a non-entity."

Modern scholarship shows that the Warsaw Pact was even more hollow than historians had previously thought, and that is quite a Potemkin achievement. And the writing was already on the wall for Russia, they just managed to play little dutch boy until they ran out of fingers and it all disintegrated faster than the South Fork Dam.

France and Britain's pitiful attempts to exercise empire only lasted until 1956, when the US and USSR smacked their hands and the fallen powers ****ed their pants and ran into the corner, where they still are to this day.