***NEUTRAL STANDPOINT***
Guys, guys, guys. I don't see why this has all blown out of proportion. And why this is even taking place here. If I was you, this wouldn't have been my first choice of a discussion area on this topic. Its just inviting more people in, who are clearly going to be biased towards you at cheathappens. Here's my two cents for what it's worth.
Anyway, the way I see it, is it's just all talk guys. He said, she said, they said. No-one as of yet has posted anything that I can see as viable proof to backup their claims. And this is from all parties, i'm hardly taking sides here. I feel I must point out however that Psych or the whole of RADiANCE cannot be simply stereotyped as rippers.
On top of there been no proof, there is also the following. Just because someone allegedly took out a premium subscription, doesn't mean that they must have ripped or in any other way used the trainers in their own work. That just simply doesn't add up. And as sure as you are, or how likely you think it is, thats just your opinion. Again, let me re-tstate what I put above. I am not on any side here. Cheathappens, can you prove that Psych/RADiANCE stole your options? Can you show that and make certain? And Psych/RADiANCE, can you be sure that Cheathappens have in any way stole from your options or anyone elses? The point is, you probably both can't. You might think the number or similarity of options in released trainers, or the date of release might look suspicious, but you sure as hell can't prove for certain.
Let me tell you what's happening here now, because this discussion isn't achieving anything. Everyone seems to have their own opinion, and there own way of perceiving events. Strong opinions are what I see here. Everyone has made their say, and now I just see posts repeating what has already been said. I try to run a game cheat related site, and I get submissions for any number of people, including you at cheathappens and you guys at RADiANCE (or more accurately in the past, eXtalia). Also, people like Kelsat who you are both very fond of (sarcasm there guys) also submit their work, and that gets added like everything else.
From the posts and conversations i've seen elsewhere, both of your teams hold the same ideal that ripping is wrong, and you both even worked together with a handful of other groups (that I will not mention here for privacy sake) in a joint-effort to try and at least slow the problem down. It was the same issue then. You claimed that Kelsat was ripping, but I couldn't see any hard proof that this was the case. And even if I could indeed make that distinction, it would mean unecessary time on my part to filter out this stuff and start getting involved, to the point I never wish too.
Personally, i've been around for too long, and as many of us more seasoned ones know, this scene/group war is nothing new. It always crops back up between different groups, and seems to get especially bitter when it is between a site that takes money and one that offers releases freely. The old scene vs. web deal. The brunt of the argument gets way of topic and eventually boils down to an argument between something completely different. In any case, does a team that takes money for trainers make them so bad? That because they charge for something that they are good at doing is unacceptable? Conversely, because they take money, does that mean they their work will always be better, have more quality options, get released faster and never have any bugs? On the flipside, going to another team such as RADiANCE, does the fact that they release freely, make their released substandard and buggy, and never contain good options that have taken rakes of time to achieve? I don't believe in any of it, from any direction. I see some of the best, most scene-leading work coming from both of you, and quite possibly only from you two parties.
Before I close out, I just want to add a final note. In light of the initial predicament, I thought I would go ahead and see what little truth there may be to this accusations. In no particular order, I went with Psych's latest offering first. As I can only obtain a promo trainer of the fallout 3 release from cheathappens, I had to compare one option only. Not much to go on I know, but it was done none-the-less. You offer a radiation option to protect from it. Psych has a combined option, god mode, that protects from it. It's not seperate. It seems completely different in the way that it is done. Moving to another game, GTA4. I'm aware of this whole xlive deal and the talk surrounding it. I won't digress too much, but basically from what I have seen of both trainer's, none of them seem to use this Rick's work from his reversing blog. Both of you perform memory-patching of some description, be it a loader or otherwise, and so I can see no truth to either side on this front.
I really do hope everyone involved starts to see sense and pack this crap in. It doesn't just affect a couple of people on one board, others get involved. Team-members, friends, supporters, and then in turn other whole sites and communities. Everything gets slightly changed as word goes around, and it all ends up in a mess. Like a game of chinese-whispers. Enemies (that may be too strong-a-word) cannot just start to get along, but there is really no reason too. Why not stay out of each others hair completely. Drop the accusations and stupid comments, because like i've already put god knows how many tmes, thats all there is from both sides. Leave each other be.
I have many contacts in various places, and when they start to get their feathers ruffled, I'm not about to stand by and say nothing. For the greater good of everything, quit it, you're all starting to get viewed in a bad light. And thats from a more independant, and neutral view guys. If you want to ignore what i've stated or shrug it off, so be it, but thats as honest and as clear-headed as your going to get.Have a good christmas.
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