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king-of-games  posted on Nov 25, 2007 12:17:07 AM - Report post

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Just to make something clear, personally I don't think the FU is a worst finisher, but its not a good finisher either, I was just pointing out that a lot of fan favourite have finishers that have even less impact. Maybe it was a good thing Cena took on a second finisher the STFU, I was just pointing out I think people are a little too hard on Cena, but thats whats good about this topic people have a chance too share there opinion.

OK heres a question, if you could what would you replace Cenas finisher with?

 
Jackal  posted on Nov 25, 2007 1:59:40 PM - Report post


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Just to make something clear, personally I don't think the FU is a worst finisher, but its not a good finisher either, I was just pointing out that a lot of fan favourite have finishers that have even less impact. Maybe it was a good thing Cena took on a second finisher the STFU, I was just pointing out I think people are a little too hard on Cena, but thats whats good about this topic people have a chance too share there opinion.

OK heres a question, if you could what would you replace Cenas finisher with?

Well that's fine but to me Cena will always be a wrestler for the kids and women...the (real) adult wrestling fan base that have followed the sport for years aren't falling for Cena's ridiculous gimic and lack of wrestling ability...

I don't know if he'll ever get over that hump with the majority of the wrestling audience...in time, we'll see. I'm sure when he comes back next year he'll have a lot of steam and a lot of the fanbase will be behind him...at least most of us.

I wouldn't mind Cena as much as a mid-carder and he didn't dominate RAW and the Title picture so much, to me he's not a true Champion and never will be...more like a big guy that was good on the mic got lucky and hit it big at the right time. If this was 2001 or 1998 their would be no place for Cena in the WWE, and if their was Austin or Rock would've embarrised him by now and kicked his ass...I've always thought that a good wrestler should be Champion not just a good entertainer, while Cena is good on the mic his lack of wrestling ability gives him no business being a multiple WWE Champion.

So I don't know what new finisher I'd give Cena, and to be honest I hardly care...if he had the F-U or some other Power Move it still wouldn't matter, while I'm not happy he got hurt it was probably a blessing in disguise for him to go away for awhile, I think (even the Cena fans) were starting to get sick of him. I'm just glad I don't have to watch one of matches for a long time and see the dreaded 5 moves...if I were him when I get healthy I'd get my ass into OVW and start learning how to really wrestle...

Sorry for the rant, but I had to make my feelings (once again) known about Cena, in the end I guess I don't hate Cena or like him...I'm inbetween

 
king-of-games  posted on Nov 25, 2007 4:42:34 PM - Report post

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Yeah I can see where your coming from, you can sort of blame the fan base for the way wrestling is now. The thing is no matter how hard you want it Cena could never be a mid-card, at least for a long time, Cenas been pushed as main event too hard.


A couple of little things I think could make wrestling at least a little better...

- Get rid of ECW or at least move it to a Internet only show like Heat, then merge the ECW talent that are actually worth keeping around into RAW/Smackdown! because ECW started off decent but as soon as Paul Heyman left, it went to the crapper.

- Merge the Tag Team Titles.

- Turn Cena heel and keep the title off him, it will at least make it easy if people are meant to hate him.

- Employ some more decent talent, I know there are there some great talented wrestlers in the iddys, that would do great if give time to shine in WWE.

- Bring back the reality in wrestling that made it so much better 10 years ago, WWE cater too much to there child audience now days, which is killing wrestling..

- Have Kennedy reveal himself as McMahon's real son, and them feud like Austin/McMahon style.(Get rid of Hornswoggle being his son)

- Get rid of the ECW Title with ECW, personally it makes me feel like the WWE/Heavyweight Championship are not worth as much.

Release the following people(Some of them I don't mind I just don't think they really have a place in WWE.)
= Jim Duggan
= Charlie Haas
= Snitsky
= DH Smith
= Kenny Dykstra
= The Major Brothers
= Michelle McCool
= Ashley Massaro
= Layla
= Stevie Richards

-Because I said Merge the Tag Titles earlier, bring back the Cruiserweight title, and start pushing that division more, because I know they can put on awesome matches they just aren't given enough time.

 
Jackal  posted on Nov 25, 2007 6:10:48 PM - Report post


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Those are some damn good ideas. It's just too bad Vince runs everything and it's either his way or the highway...he just doesn't listen to the fans and give them what they want anymore...

It'd be interesting if Vince took a long break from the business and let Shane run things...I say Shane because Stephanie is a horrible boss, the only reason she has her job is because of her daddy...she knows jack about wrestling, it's all numbers to her...


 
speedemon9  posted on Nov 25, 2007 7:12:29 PM - Report post


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I think Shane would be good because he's not as much of a hole as Vince and there would be more intresting matches becuase the fans might get what they want.

And I believe that ECW is not as good as it WAS. Since people like: Sabu,RVD,Sandman,Big Show,ect. left...it's not that good. But I still watch it.

That's what I have to say.

 
latios_power  posted on Nov 26, 2007 3:00:30 AM - Report post

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@Latios_Power - You say Cena's finisher sucks, don't even get me started on "your" favourite wrestler Hulk Hogan's finisher. Also a little side note that fisherman's Suplex(FU) that cena does is also the same finisher Tommy Dreamer used in the original ECW, and didn't hear people moaning that Tommy Dreamers finisher sucked back then, or even look at another fan favourite The Rock, The Peoples Elbow 'come on'. I say compared to The People Elbow, Hulk Hogans Leg Drop, or even Scotty 2 Hotties The Worm, The FU looks good if you compare it to some other finishers.

[Edited by king-of-games, 11/24/2007 5:31:45 PM]

I LIKE the F-U I didn't say its not cool but theres better finishers that the F-U and make more DAMAGE "Tombston"

and actually I still wonder if Hogan's finisher is a finisher even if he's my favorite wrestler

and another thing, most of the time The Rock do the People's Elbow after a "Rock Bottom" and the rock bottom is a great finisher from a great wrestler "the great one lol"

ECW "Sux" I mean the only one left as a real ECW is dreamer, where's RVD Sabu and Sandman, it was a crazy damn thing that sandman drafted to RAW thats bull****, and we see most if the weeks ECW brings Kane or another superstars from the other brands and that means one thing "Give ECW shuperstars or REMOVE it from the wwe"

[Edited by latios_power, 11/26/2007 3:11:10 AM]

 
Al-pucino  posted on Nov 27, 2007 1:42:35 AM - Report post

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True, bottom line is that in our opinions, ECW should no longer be desired in the WWE due to the lack of popular wrestlers and actions.

Has anyone watched RAW lately? Mr Mcmahon mentioned that the next match Ric Flair loses, then it will be the end of his career, and he will be forced to retire.

 
Jackal  posted on Nov 27, 2007 11:11:46 AM - Report post


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RAW was fairly decent...I know a lot of people were expecting a lot from Jericho but he's gonna need some time to shake off that ring rust...his timing is a little off.

And I'm glad Flair didn't go out like that but I think eventually someone will beat him in a big match situation and he'll have to retire. I think it's the right move for Flair, he's getting up there and nobody wants to see him get to the point were physically he can't wrestle or get hurt, he'll be 59 in February afterall.

The HHH/Hardy match at Armageddon is going to definetly be the match of the night at the PPV, I'm looking forward to it. Plus Kennedy and Michaels hooking up, a lot of great first-time matches...at least the WWE is trying to create new matches and rivalrys.

And what do you think of Jerichos new finisher 'the Codebreaker'? I thought it was alright, nothing that special...I think Y2J could've come up with somethig better or just stick to the Walls of Jericho. One thing I wish is the fellas at OVW get Kennedy a new 'solid' finisher, the Green Bay Plundge is okay but if they got him a better power move it would rocket him to the top much quicker...just look at what thed Stunner did for Austin or the Rock Bottom did for the Rock and the Pedigree did for HHH....

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