2nd Satan is evil thats why he makes every one suffer.
3rd if you get to heaven that means you already loved god etc but i want some proof i have never seen any were in the bible were it says he wants us to worship him.
Try editing your post.
"...if you took God out of the equation these people would still be nice people, probably nicer people"
How so? With no moral code...how would people be nicer?
I think that if I wasn't brought up with religion...I would be a creep.
"Why the Pope and not a high ranking Islam or Hindu cleric? "
Well I have very little knowledge about the religion of the Hindus, but I see no or very little organization in the Muslim religion. Shi-ites killing Sunnis (sp?) and the inner wars in their religion is nothing but chaos.
"Don't get me wrong i'd love to be wrong and find an afterlife"
Ok...let me get this straight...
You...are in the middle? Of God or no God. And you would perfer there to be a God, right? Yet you choose to beleive in no God, right?
Why want to beleive something...and not?
Anyway, I wouldn't look foward to reincarnation...unless I have all the knowledge of my past life that is.
Eternal paradise is enough for me.
"But it is my personal belief that people are scared of being alone. They want to feel someone is watching over them so they let themselves believe in God. It's a huge reassurance. A saftey net if you will, to think that there is a higher power to perform micricles, and that even when you die you'll be ok."
Right...God is watching over us. Waiting for us to join Him in eternal paradise.
I would hate to be alone, in this life or the next.
And that is what Hell is. Being alone, without God. Not fire.
Fire just shows the intensity, because you have the fires of Hell, and you have the fires of the Holy Spirit.
"Overall belief on churches and religous worshiping. I feel if there is a god then he/she wouldn't want so much money spent on his/her worship- The church has the highest income of all time (Correct me if thats a complete misunderstanding of mine). Surely if there was a God he (or she) would want that money spend on bettering peoples lives?
I know Churches help homeless ect. But the money could build factories and generate work ect in third world contries and help economies across the globe)"
Ok, first off, God isn't a specific gender, not male nor female. We just refer to Him as a male.
And how do you figure that a lot of money is spent on God's worship?
All the money the Catholic Church recieves is purely donations, charity and volunterr services.
The Catholic Church is also the biggest...'world donater.' More than any charity in the world. The Catholic Chirch is the largest. We donate to others with the donations we recieve. That is why people donate at Church because the Church's do not recieve any tax money.
"I know Churches help homeless ect. But the money could build factories and generate work ect in third world contries and help economies across the globe)"
Ok, so you want the Catholic Church to be the largest donation organization. Build factories in third world countires AND sustain themselves.
Even though the Catholic Church is what it is...it is still of this world.
Ok....that is what I wrote before I disapeared...I just saved it.
I'll post more now, but because of the many pages, I will only address the main subjects, which are:
- The Church's wealth.
- And something else...
[Edited by darkish_raven, 1/10/2007 2:54:21 PM]
I just want to firstly say...'Who are you to get all angry about the Church?'
The Catholic Church is the world's largest donater.
The above link is ONE....note: only ONE! Part of Catholic donations and charities.
And the above link says that the goal of Catholic Charites is to cut American poverty in half by the year 2020.
Again, that is only ONE Catholic Charity organization...there are many more.
About the treasures the Church has....
First off, they don't belong to the Pope.
They were gifts to the Church. And who is the Church? The people are the Church.
So in order to sell something....you would need the approval of every single Roman Catholic in the world...nearly immpossible.
Homosexuallity is natural....nothing to be condemed for.
It is the ACT of homosexualliy....practicing it which is wrong.
Whether it be a test from God...or a brain disorder....it's natural.
Yes, multiple priests have been accused of molesting little boys and lawsuits against the Church was succesful, but I want to know why the individual wasn't sued...and why the Church was.
It wasn't the Church's fault that those priests did what they did.
And how do you know that they didn't just become priests so they could give the Church a bad name?
Ok...that's it for now...
If you want me to address another or the same issue(s) in more detail...I will.
The above is just the basic of what I read of the previous pages.
Who isn't afraid of Hell? Yeah, the concept of being tortured past bodily limits (too bad I wouldn't have a body, so there are no limits) scares me.
"wouldn't you get used to it?"
Get used to Hell? Are you kidding?
"Or, if we're following what Satan wants us to do (disobey God), wouldn't he reward us in hell?"
Satan is evil. Get a dictionary. If Satan were a lot less evil (and I mean a lot less) than he still wouldn't reward athiests. He might reward pagans and devil worshipers, but not athiests.
"Also, in heaven: If God gave us free will, why then in heaven does he want us to worship him? Contradictory?"
Of course He wants us to worship him. He is divine. He created you. But He only wants us to worship him. Contradicting Free Will would mean making us worship him.
EDIT: Sorry for double posting. I didn't realize
[Edited by Quan-Chi, 1/10/2007 7:23:16 PM]
Sorry, bud. On a whole, I agree with you 'xcept one or two things. Even Satanists will end up burning. Why? Simple. Satan hates God eternally, passionately, more than racism, prejudice, or plain dislike. That's not really opposable, as evil-light hatred and war has always existed. Satan hates Jesus, our king. How does a desperate, losing enemy fight a powerful leader(think al quaeda)? THROUGH HIS PEOPLE. Thus, guys(I'm adressing YOU, not Quan Chi) whoever he brings down with his tricks of mind...
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