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Quan-Chi  posted on Jan 02, 2007 9:37:21 PM - Report post

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"you and raven speak of these incorruptable or infoulible teachings...but who is in the position to say that they are incorruptable? did god himself tell you? or is that just what YOU believe from circumstantial evidence"


The church decides. The Pope, and the bishops of the church do decide the infallible teachings. You got that and Incorruptables mixed up. The Incorruptables are the corpses that have yet to face any natural decay (which I didn't know before, thank you darkish).

Yes God himself did not tell us the Infallible teachings. Infallible teachings, however, are not decided as a dogma unless the Church knows it is true beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[Edited by Quan-Chi, 1/2/2007 9:39:09 PM]

 
Darkish  posted on Jan 02, 2007 9:41:02 PM - Report post

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you and raven speak of these incorruptable or infoulible teachings...but who is in the position to say that they are incorruptable? did god himself tell you? or is that just what YOU believe from circumstantial evidence

Errr, the Catholic Church.

But again this ties into a specific religion. As much as I would like to try and avoid that ont his topic...the Catholic Church declared them to be 'incorruptibles' and 'infallible' teachings.

Again they are infallible because they were created and haven't changed the slightest way since they were created. Once they do change (which...they won't) I will see otherwise.

And they are incorruptible because they have been buried for hundreds of years with no sign of decay. No they are not wax dolls. Science has declared this to be true...I believe. Past out understanding as humans and proof that God exists. (Maybe in not so exact words.)


P.S -Neo7

I am very dissapointed that you have removed one of my precious (most likely long) post.

For the future if you deem necessary...please only remove part of the post, not the whole thing. Especially if it is long and address many other quotes.

And if you can remember, please tell me what I said wrong so I don't do it again and that I can make a new post with the same...'stuff' (with a lack of better words.) Thanks.

 
Darkish  posted on Jan 02, 2007 9:42:49 PM - Report post

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"Yes God himself did not tell us the Infallible teachings. Infallible teachings, however, are not decided as a dogma unless the Church knows it is true beyond a shadow of a doubt."

I'd have to counter that and say that the Pope is guided through the power of the Holy Ghost with 'Divine Intervention.'

Man alone cannot make infallible truth...Dogma.

 
dstates  posted on Jan 02, 2007 9:43:09 PM - Report post

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ok well lets speak of these infallible teachings then....what makes you think that they are inface infallible? other religions have the same concept, they believe that what they believe is absolute and without flaw. so by saying these teachings are infallible you are saying that they are "immune from fallacy or liability to error in expounding matters of faith or morals by virtue of the promise made by Christ to the Church" right? but if a human said it, how can you be sure that it is correct beyond a resonable doubt? YOU CANT...and the pope is just a man, no greater than you or i. he is not instilled with and holy or great devine powers.
 
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EternalSlayer  posted on Jan 03, 2007 8:19:04 AM - Report post

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"Ok, man doesn't know everything...of course, but if man was unable to create them, then who did? The animals with no intellect? Or man from the future? Or God?"

You're kidding, right?

 
Neo7  posted on Jan 03, 2007 8:48:42 AM - Report post

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I never said either of those statements nor do they apply to me [exception of 2nd one] (if I did then kindly point to me where I did). I do not believe in God as I have developed my own complex ideas/concepts considering the Universe that wouldn't support the idea of a God. I merely stated that little memory as I thought it rather ironic on not only the damage done to the student, but his friends and family as well (hell if you went to the school during that event, you'd have an idea).

Besides...I hate Religion in general, all its ever done for me is waste my time as well as create major setbacks in my life.


Unless you meant,

'I'm Agnostic, have been Agnostic, oh and let me tell you a sad story that has nothing to do with me being Agnostic, nor do I blame God for killing the child.'

Then I stand by what I said.


Oh, and please do tell us your words of wisdom with this 'concept' you came up with...because it obviously must be better than 2000 years worth of wisdom. *Sarcasim*

Believe what you want to believe...jeez, this world would be in chaos if everyone lived like that.

Thank God for unity.

Again you're twisting my words and assuming. That's a big no-no in a debate. I did not choose that path for that reason alone. I am pointing out that it is rather absurd how the result came out, but I was Agnostic well before that point.

 
Quan-Chi  posted on Jan 03, 2007 11:14:30 AM - Report post

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"Yes God himself did not tell us the Infallible teachings. Infallible teachings, however, are not decided as a dogma unless the Church knows it is true beyond a shadow of a doubt."

I'd have to counter that and say that the Pope is guided through the power of the Holy Ghost with 'Divine Intervention.'

Man alone cannot make infallible truth...Dogma.

Err, that's what I meant...

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