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Darkish  posted on Dec 27, 2006 2:26:27 PM - Report post

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that still doesnt make since because if God knew it was going to happen...he knew the world would fall into warfare and famine. why would he do such a thing?

but people often have a misconception of what actually happend in the garden of eden ADAM AND EVE DID NOT EAT AN APPLE or any fruit for that matter. it was a metaphore for something else

and adam and eve didnt know good from evil before they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...because the tree gave them the knowledge of good and evil..the bible is a great story though, if adam and eve would have eaten from the tree of life thereafter, then they would have achieved imortality and become like god in every way...whether you think that is blasphimy or not, it says that in the bible

- Because God created man in His own image. He wants nothing but our love. It is because of us that we have war and famine.

Why would you have a child if you know that one day that child will face difficulties. If you know that your child will face difficulites, what is the point of having a child in the first place?

- I thought the same thing for a time and thought that 'eating of the apple' was just a metaphor for sinning in general. But you didn't write the Bible, you weren't there at the time. How would you know?

- Err, yes they did. Satan bribed them into eating the apple so they can become like God. They fell into sin.

The Bible is not a storybook.

 
dstates  posted on Dec 27, 2006 2:31:33 PM - Report post

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the bible is a story though fact or fiction whichever it may be

but the bible never said anything about an apple , that is just what poplular society has put in children storys to make it easy to comprehend...if you want me to tell you what it symbolizes i will. but i wont go there if it is not needed

 
OmertaRacer  posted on Dec 27, 2006 2:32:16 PM - Report post

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I still dont believe any of this, Im a stubborn little bugger and you will get to know that soon if you dont already...
 
dstates  posted on Dec 27, 2006 2:35:13 PM - Report post

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as am i...i am enjoying this exchange of knowledge and beleif though, i think its healthy

but may i suggest that when we are done, that we edit our posts to avoid conflict with the moderators

 
Darkish  posted on Dec 27, 2006 2:36:09 PM - Report post

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it gains money because you need to pay to have a priest pray you dearly departed out of pergatory and into heaven
and what do you mean the teachings can never be corrupted

pergatory is a made up thing....man made the whole thing up god never said there was a pergatory, there was a heaven and a hell. thats it

and the worship of the vergin marry is stated as blasphamy int the bible because she wasnt anything to be worshiped...she did nothing, twas god that impregnated her. and praying to anyone other than god him self is blsphamy as staded in the bible

btw is any of this offending you?



- What are you talking about?!? Purgatory is reparation for our sins on Earth. Prayer may shorten the length of time spent in Purgatory, but no ammount of money or prayers from Priests will release souls.

Think of your soul as a white shirt. Sin as a mustard stain. And purgatory as the washing machine.

You sin and you now have the mustard stain on your shirt. You go to confession (which is free of charge) to have the mustard wiped away, but the stain is still there. Pugatory, washes away the stain so you may enter Heaven.

- The infallible teachings have been around for 2000 years, (not all though.) One of them is the teaching of Purgatory which will stay as it is until the end of the world.

- Catholic Church > Dstates. If the Catholic Church declares a Dogma (infallible truth) I'm going to believe it as truth. Again, Purgatory is one infallible Dogma.

- Ok...who said the Catholics worshipped Mary? Who is telling you these lies? We honor Mary for being the Mother of God. Only God deserves worship.

- No, just don't degrade the Church or the Bible.

[Edited by darkish_raven, 12/27/2006 2:38:00 PM]

 
dstates  posted on Dec 27, 2006 2:40:01 PM - Report post

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in your prayer though, you do comend mary for her achievements as a human do you not?

and how can you say that any teaching is infallible? purgatory is a thing completely made up by man

and do you not beleive in human error?
im not trying to degrade the church or bible im just explaining reasons why i have no such faith...so if you are offended by what i have to say then tell me and i will end the discussion

[Edited by dstates, 12/27/2006 2:40:46 PM]

 
OmertaRacer  posted on Dec 27, 2006 2:40:41 PM - Report post

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Theres still a posibilty of the bible lying in some places, for example the new 'Gospel of Judos' and the fact he now it is being proven that Joseph might never have existed at all.

[Edited by OmertaRacer, 12/27/2006 2:41:51 PM]

 
dstates  posted on Dec 27, 2006 2:42:23 PM - Report post

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the fact is, if the word of god is true..the bible has been twisted, perverted and mistranslated over the years. so nothing is completely solid fact
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