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EternalSlayer  posted on Oct 19, 2006 1:40:33 AM - Report post

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Evolution is NOT proven, it never will be because it is a theory, and false at that. I agree with Phee, if evolution was true, monkeys would still be evolving into humans. Throughout all of recorded History, there are no such cases.

God is proven. There is no possible way to explain how we are and why we are except that of a higher power creating us. No possible way to explain miracles except that of faith of a higher power. I HIGHLY doubt that we have what we have today because of two rocks crashing into each other. It is not logical.

A Greek Philosopher 'Parmenides' studied metaphysics and he said. "Why is there anything, rather than nothing." Meaning if there was nothing once millions and billions of years ago, there would still be nothing today.

And what is the harm about believing in a God?

-Believe the following and that God is true:

God exists------------------Heaven forever in the end

God does not exist--------Hell forever in the end


-Believe the following and God is false:

God exists------------------Nothing in the end

God does not exist--------Nothing in the end

So I ask of you, what is the harm of believing in a God?


I was born and raised a Catholic, still am a Catholic and furthering my studies of my religion, but others as well. It isn't a good thing to not know about what else is out there.

If you truly are curious about these matters, it would be wise to look into these matters and study them more deeply. I know I will.

[Edited by darkish_raven, 10/18/2006 6:21:09 PM]

I never knew the standard of R.E. over was what it is, I'll try to explain:

1. Evolution does not happen over a few hundred years. Reliable History goes back about 2000 years, maybe less. Evolution happens over Millions of years. According to the Bible God created the world about 3000 years ago, Carbon dating has since proved several fossils and bones to be hundreds of thousands of years old. Evolution is a slow and gradual process. I wish you'd read other people's posts, because that would save me plagiarising Evol_Monkey_Man's post. Anyway, evolution in my words is this.
In a species of animal it is sometimes the case that a individual is born that is slightly different from the others of their species due to a slight mutation which would occur. When this animal is born it may have a slight advantage or disadvantage over other animals of their species due to this mutation. If this mutation is not beneficial to the individual animal it will probably be unable to find food or reproduce. If it is beneficial then the animal will be more likely to find a partner and reproduce. (In Human terms it would be comparitable to you being more likely to find a GF because you're more muscular, or in the ladies case because of....well...anyway)
The offspring of the successful mutation will be likely to have the same mutation and eventually over thousands of years of breeding all animals will have that beneficial characteristic. If I was to give you an example I would go back to the example of the giraffe. Assume a giraffe with a slightly longer neck is bron. It will be more likely to be able to reach high into the tree to feed than the others of it's species. Therefore it will be more likely to find a partner and reproduce. I hope this made it clearer, and you'd better read this Darkish.

2. How can you say that God isn't proven? You have no proof, Science has come up with several theories and once you progress in your school career you should hopefully be taught these things.

3. You would seem to be arguing in favour of an ex nihilo Creator God, but arguing that he created everything in Genesis. However I'm not sure how to tackle this one. I'll leave this to someone else, go for it.

4. What harm is there in believing in God? None, you're wasting your time that's all. If you want to do that, go ahead.

Those are my opinions, I am merely giving my opinion and I do not wish to offend anyone, I am merely arguing the point.

[Edited by Moderator EternalSlayer, 10/19/2006 1:41:24 AM]

 
Petray  posted on Oct 19, 2006 9:37:39 AM - Report post

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i think religion is...well....executed badly....i think none of us should live our lifes to our religion as extremly as some do.....i believe all religions are correct in thier own way, and, that way is that,the basis of all religion is well.....being kind to one and other...being truthfull etc.
im from dublin in ireland as most of you would know, and, only about and hour or two up the road, there's people killing eachother over religion...and, its not like youd see in the news in places like jerusalem...battling with other religions............its in northern ireland, a developed, fine country, y'no, all that stuff.....and, people are killing eachothere there because they are a different branch of christianity.....catholics killing protestants and vice versa...its terrible...thats one of the reasons i dont really like to associate myself with religion...i think it just causes trouble...i do believe in something, something that started it all...call it god, call it allah, hell, you can call it cheescake for all i care....i dont think it matters about thier story, or about thier prophets, or anything...jsut that they're there....just having the belief i think is enough...

and, evolution is very real....and, its happening all the time, and, its not a slow process...its happening every second.....evolving means development....improvement....or in other terms...getting better...getting smarter, stronger etc...
and, thats happening right now!...right as you read this, you are learning, you are taking in more information....and, mabey, after you read this, you'll decide to change your life around and become really smaret, do alot of work and all that stuff....and, then, when you're older, you might meet a partner, just like you, and you have kids, and, they have your traits, thier ability to learn is ery high and all that stuff....and, as they grow older, they get smarter then you ever were, even in your intelectual prime....and, it could go on like that.....and, mabey, eventually donw the line, your great great grandson/daughter could produce the cure to cancer...and that....is evolution......just because there are no physical differences doesnt mean that they havent evolved...but, it can be the same on the physical side aswell...just like people in hotter countries have darker skin...even at birth, because thier skin has evolved to endure the heat and not burn....

 
Darkish  posted on Oct 19, 2006 11:33:48 AM - Report post

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So for those who believe in evolution believe in the 'Big Bang theory' right?

If so, where did the two rocks come from? You know the two rocks that crashed into eachother in space and super fast speed and then created the universe, solar systems, galaxys, humans, life forms, human feelings such as a nervous system, guilt, love, respect, you name it.

You can crash as many rocks as you want, you won't create life with it.

Believing in the Big Bang theory is as logical as believing that you can take a big jug of pudding, throw it into the air, let it crash onto the floor and just by pure happenstance, that mess of pudding forms itself over billions of years, a perfect universe like we have today.

Nothing can get anymore absurd then the theory of evolution

For thirty years the THEORY of evolution has been taught in public schools as a FACT. There are many missing links. here is a link...[url]www.straight-talk.net/evolution/misslinks.htm'>Link

And ES, you said that I said God isn't proven, just a typo I think.

I have said what I have thought.

If you still want to believe that rocks can create what we have today, go ahead, I won't stop you.

 
Petray  posted on Oct 19, 2006 12:21:59 PM - Report post

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k, first, the theory of the big bang isnt two rocks banging together and then making a universe....thats stupid...
and, i dont think about the big bang, i neither believe or not believe it.....and, evolution...is a fact....mabey us coming from cavemen is a lie....but...evolution...is a fact..its real....dont start talkin about like it isnt real...like its a conspiracy....
 
EternalSlayer  posted on Oct 19, 2006 12:44:37 PM - Report post

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So for those who believe in evolution believe in the 'Big Bang theory' right?

If so, where did the two rocks come from?

If you're so smart...where did God come from?

[Edited by Moderator EternalSlayer, 10/19/2006 12:45:12 PM]

 
Zeth_Durron  posted on Oct 19, 2006 3:18:04 PM - Report post

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Methinks this is about to turn into a flame-party. This is a good discussion topic, don't ruin it.

No one knows where God came from. And personally, I could care less. But the standard Christian response when you ask "How is God created before time" is "God can do anything" That is just too perfect for me. It's like a catch all, and I don't like that. If God can do anything, why doesnt he post here adn explain it?

[Edited by Zeth_Durron, 10/19/2006 6:45:54 PM]

 
Darkish  posted on Oct 19, 2006 7:49:48 PM - Report post

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If you're so smart...where did God come from?

I'm not so smart.

God always was and always will be. But it is a hell of a lot more logical to say that a higher power created what we have today then evolution, big bang or whatever.

And Petray- What is the Big Bang then? According to Family Guy, God won a arm-wrestling match with His room-mate Chugs. God then proceeded to fart next to a lighter, creating the 'Big Bang.'

But who knows. In the Bible it says "A day to us is like a thousand years to God."...or the other way around...I don't know. But this could mean that in the 'Seven' days that he created the world, it was actually thousands and thousands of years in our understanding, hence evolution started by higher power.

Flaming is the last thing I want, but I can't understand why God and religion are always touchy subjects.

I believe what I believe because I accept the facts. I accept the miracles and blind faith.

-No Church has been attacked then all the other Churches put together, then the Catholic Church, could this be Satan?

-All the other Protestant demoninations (like 30,000) have been broken away from the Catholic Church. Could this be Satan and people just believing what they want to believe?

I'll come back with more facts and miracles and other stuff later, not now though. That requires Internet research and I am tired.

 
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If you're so smart...where did God come from?

I'm not so smart.

God always was and always will be. But it is a hell of a lot more logical to say that a higher power created what we have today then evolution, big bang or whatever.

And Petray- What is the Big Bang then? According to Family Guy, God won a arm-wrestling match with His room-mate Chugs. God then proceeded to fart next to a lighter, creating the 'Big Bang.'

But who knows. In the Bible it says "A day to us is like a thousand years to God."...or the other way around...I don't know. But this could mean that in the 'Seven' days that he created the world, it was actually thousands and thousands of years in our understanding, hence evolution started by higher power.

Flaming is the last thing I want, but I can't understand why God and religion are always touchy subjects.

I believe what I believe because I accept the facts. I accept the miracles and blind faith.

-No Church has been attacked then all the other Churches put together, then the Catholic Church, could this be Satan?

-All the other Protestant demoninations (like 30,000) have been broken away from the Catholic Church. Could this be Satan and people just believing what they want to believe?

I'll come back with more facts and miracles and other stuff later, not now though. That requires Internet research and I am tired.

Ok, a thousand years is a human day to God.

But the Big Bang is too coincidental. So is Creationism. But A more Agnostic/Deistic view is what most peopel hold today.

[Edited by Zeth_Durron, 10/19/2006 7:55:56 PM]

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