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zorrodude  posted on Oct 17, 2006 1:51:17 PM - Report post

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Thinking about it gets me a little worried. I mean yeah i want to believe there is a heaven and a hell, but what if there is not? I mean once you die, is it all dark and blackness forever and ever? It would be like before you were born, can you remember it? of course not, and that's what i'm afraid will happen once I die. Thinking about nothingness forever boggles my mind and thats when i get worked up over it.

But then again, maybe there is a god or something superior that created us, because is it a coincidense that we happen to live in a perfect environment and have knowledge and feelings?

Or maybe our spirits keep reincarnating to a different species and can't remember anything in the life before.

Their could also be a different way that no one has ever even thought of. Nobody knows, but for right now I will try too keep my faith in god, but I still question how we came into existence.

 
Evil_MonkeyMan  posted on Oct 17, 2006 5:56:25 PM - Report post

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i believe in god 100%. plus evalution never made sense to me. i mean if monkeys evalutionized into humans, why aren't they still turning into humans today? also in the bible there are many prophecys that are about wars and all the wars that we had in the past, and they go hand in hand with what the bible says. so if those things r true, than i can easily believe that the bible isnt just some book that was written by men, but it is a book inspired of god and all the things in there are true, including creation. plus, it makes perfect sense. and when it comes to evalution, there is always the question, how? and that leads to more questions.

evolution takes place over many hundreds of years, that is why monkeys don't just suddenly change into humans nowadays, I believe the bible to be a book of teaching, for reprobates back in times when the majority of youth were unlearned (certainly by todays standards), in order to teach them right from wrong (thus, the 10 commandments) and that's all I see. I see God, and satan alike as manufactuactured "beings" cunjured by man in order to enforce these morals upon those willing to listen, with a combination of Promise (Heaven) and fear (Hell). this method is summarised basically in interrigation, namely the "good cop, bad cop" method. anyways, I'm straying from the point. so I'll stop there. Also, the question "How?", referring to evolution. it's quite simple really when you think about it logically, when miosis occurs (or mitosis, I always mix up the two, the one where cell separation occurs) occasionally, nature makes a mistake in the process (thus mutant animals, such as the calf recently discovered in japan) and causes a "mutant". most of the time, these alterations in the creatures DNA are not beneficial to survival, but occasionally, a mutation which helps the species survive occurs. take the giraffe for example. the early ancestors of the giraffe had short necks, and as a result, they could only reach low boughs on trees to obtain the vital nutrients they needed from leaves. In restricted habitat, where trees may not have been so plentiful, many of these creatures may have starved to death, but then a mutant appeared, a giraffe with a slightly longer neck, able to reach higer branches, thus increasing it's chance of survival in the wild. this mutant then breeds with an ordinary predecessor of the common giraffe, passing it's "long neck" genes on to it's offspring, who in turn, have a higher chance of survival, with their longer necks. Many years continue on, and eventually, the gene pool of all giraffes have increased to incorperate long necks. this can be applied to any animal on the planet. It's "survival of the fittest" personified.

Anyways, there's ny little rant over.

 
Zeth_Durron  posted on Oct 17, 2006 6:09:00 PM - Report post

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Wow, I didn't think this topic would snowball so fast.

I'm more of an agnostic/deist. But at my Christian school, they think I'm a good little boy.

Creationism makes the most sense, but I find the idea of a good and holy God a bit farfetched. The idea of "God can do anything." is too coincidental saying that "He was always there. Why? Because he can do anything."

Someone had a plan in mind with Earth, but it's not God.

 
Shibby  posted on Oct 17, 2006 10:09:22 PM - Report post

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Evolutions proven, God isn't. Prove God and then we're in trouble lol.
 
EternalSlayer  posted on Oct 18, 2006 3:11:42 AM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by Evil_MonkeyMan

quote:
originally posted by pheephee

i believe in god 100%. plus evalution never made sense to me. i mean if monkeys evalutionized into humans, why aren't they still turning into humans today? also in the bible there are many prophecys that are about wars and all the wars that we had in the past, and they go hand in hand with what the bible says. so if those things r true, than i can easily believe that the bible isnt just some book that was written by men, but it is a book inspired of god and all the things in there are true, including creation. plus, it makes perfect sense. and when it comes to evalution, there is always the question, how? and that leads to more questions.

evolution takes place over many hundreds of years, that is why monkeys don't just suddenly change into humans nowadays, I believe the bible to be a book of teaching, for reprobates back in times when the majority of youth were unlearned (certainly by todays standards), in order to teach them right from wrong (thus, the 10 commandments) and that's all I see. I see God, and satan alike as manufactuactured "beings" cunjured by man in order to enforce these morals upon those willing to listen, with a combination of Promise (Heaven) and fear (Hell). this method is summarised basically in interrigation, namely the "good cop, bad cop" method. anyways, I'm straying from the point. so I'll stop there. Also, the question "How?", referring to evolution. it's quite simple really when you think about it logically, when miosis occurs (or mitosis, I always mix up the two, the one where cell separation occurs) occasionally, nature makes a mistake in the process (thus mutant animals, such as the calf recently discovered in japan) and causes a "mutant". most of the time, these alterations in the creatures DNA are not beneficial to survival, but occasionally, a mutation which helps the species survive occurs. take the giraffe for example. the early ancestors of the giraffe had short necks, and as a result, they could only reach low boughs on trees to obtain the vital nutrients they needed from leaves. In restricted habitat, where trees may not have been so plentiful, many of these creatures may have starved to death, but then a mutant appeared, a giraffe with a slightly longer neck, able to reach higer branches, thus increasing it's chance of survival in the wild. this mutant then breeds with an ordinary predecessor of the common giraffe, passing it's "long neck" genes on to it's offspring, who in turn, have a higher chance of survival, with their longer necks. Many years continue on, and eventually, the gene pool of all giraffes have increased to incorperate long necks. this can be applied to any animal on the planet. It's "survival of the fittest" personified.

Anyways, there's ny little rant over.

You beat me to answering this one. Yeah, well done, I'm happy that that didn't turn this topic into a flame-fest. Phee, I'd also like to add that several Bible stories that are supposed history have never been proved through archeological findings. For example when Joshua leads the Israelites into the promised land (Israel) he destroys a city by attacking it. The attack has never been mentioned anywhere else other than the Bible. The Bible mentions a few actual facts, but that does not mean that it is complete and perfect etc. One truth does not make the enitre thing right.

[Edited by Moderator EternalSlayer, 10/18/2006 5:40:56 AM]

 
Darkish  posted on Oct 18, 2006 5:14:31 AM - Report post

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Evolutions proven, God isn't. Prove God and then we're in trouble lol.

Evolution of monkeys to human has been proven? How?

 
EternalSlayer  posted on Oct 18, 2006 5:38:36 AM - Report post

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Evolutions proven, God isn't. Prove God and then we're in trouble lol.

Evolution of monkeys to human has been proven? How?

Fossils 'n stuff.

[Edited by EternalSlayer, 10/18/2006 5:38:56 AM]

 
Raphaelle  posted on Oct 18, 2006 10:44:48 AM - Report post

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originally posted by zorrodude

Thinking about it gets me a little worried. I mean yeah i want to believe there is a heaven and a hell, but what if there is not? I mean once you die, is it all dark and blackness forever and ever? It would be like before you were born, can you remember it? of course not, and that's what i'm afraid will happen once I die. Thinking about nothingness forever boggles my mind and thats when i get worked up over it.

But then again, maybe there is a god or something superior that created us, because is it a coincidense that we happen to live in a perfect environment and have knowledge and feelings?

Or maybe our spirits keep reincarnating to a different species and can't remember anything in the life before.

Their could also be a different way that no one has ever even thought of. Nobody knows, but for right now I will try too keep my faith in god, but I still question how we came into existence.

There are no concidences....

Everything happens for a reason.....!

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