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    shimofox posted on Mar 18, 2022 3:45:29 PM - Report post
     
    Yeah, honestly I'd say if you can get aurora working for win executable games through big picture that'd cover a ton. And people can just change native games to use the win executable instead too. Forget native nix games. Really hope it works for you.
    If you need beta testing I run Manjaro for my distro which is Arch based just like the deck. Obv don't have a deck yet, but I do have game pads to test from big picture. And am also in that weird ven diagram of people who game on PC/ use linux/ use game pads. lol And for the extra bit of idiotic hipster I use a steam link for playing on my TV in the living room when friends are over. lol Just the stupidest minority you can imagine. lol

    Honesty want this to happen and work for people. But if it doesn't, it's no skin off my back either. Certainly not the end of the world for me if it ends up being a dead end. And I already feel like I've gotten more than my moneys worth with the life time sub I bought forever ago.
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    Yardanico posted on Mar 18, 2022 4:21:54 PM - Report post
     
    I'm also hopeful we'll see Aurora on Linux. I run Arch myself and it would be really good to be able to use Aurora easily 🚀

    Thanks for all the good work on Aurora already!

    [Edited by Yardanico, 3/18/2022 4:22:36 PM]
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    0x90 posted on Mar 18, 2022 8:44:12 PM - Report post
     
    quote:
    originally posted by shimofox

    Yeah, honestly I'd say if you can get aurora working for win executable games through big picture that'd cover a ton. And people can just change native games to use the win executable instead too. Forget native nix games. Really hope it works for you.
    If you need beta testing I run Manjaro for my distro which is Arch based just like the deck. Obv don't have a deck yet, but I do have game pads to test from big picture. And am also in that weird ven diagram of people who game on PC/ use linux/ use game pads. lol And for the extra bit of idiotic hipster I use a steam link for playing on my TV in the living room when friends are over. lol Just the stupidest minority you can imagine. lol

    Honesty want this to happen and work for people. But if it doesn't, it's no skin off my back either. Certainly not the end of the world for me if it ends up being a dead end. And I already feel like I've gotten more than my moneys worth with the life time sub I bought forever ago.

    1. How should users be able to launch/control/switch to Aurora in big picture mode on Steamdeck? From what I've seen there is absolutely no way. The only way is switching to desktop mode and even there Valve was too lazy to add something simply like a way to alt+tab without having an external bluetooth keyboard. I'm more than sure they don't care or didn't think of people want to run something next to their game.

    2. As long as there is no way to launch an app within the same instance of another Proton app (so they can see each other processes), it doesn't matter if its a windows executable or native game. Because a native version of Aurora sees both. If anyone knows a way though write me a PM please.

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    incx444 posted on Mar 19, 2022 8:49:08 AM - Report post
     
    No comment on the Steamdeck, as I don't have one, but I did switch to Linux semirecently once MS deemed my Threadripper unworthy and am now doing almost all my gaming on proton (with surprising amount of success), so getting some proton trainer love would be lovely.

    As for the second point, protontricks (from github) is a bunch of wine/proton magic gathered together into wrapper scripts and GUI (so there's likely a more complex direct way to do this as well), but to launch an executable in a specific game's "prefix" or instance you need to do something like:

    protontricks -c 'wine /home/incx/Downloads/aurora/aurora.exe' 34010

    where the last argument is the targeted game's steam appid

    Can't claim for sure it actually works as i've yet to get aurora or any other ch trainers working (as in, at all, not specifically about seeing the game), but from my original investigation that seems to be the way people do use trainers or memory editors with proton.

    [Edited by incx444, 3/19/2022 9:00:10 AM]
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    0x90 posted on Mar 19, 2022 1:35:19 PM - Report post
     
    It's a bit more complicated than that. Even if this works, Steamdeck also has tons of games which run natively and not in Proton, where it stops working. But games running Proton their windows modules are manually mapped so you cannot see them outside of Proton (at least not in the way a trainer needs them). So even with a native trainer, which can access both native and proton games, you can mostly only cheat games which run natively.

    No matter which path you take, it only works partially. A few bucks more and Windows instead of Linux and we would have so much less problems.
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    shimofox posted on Mar 20, 2022 10:58:33 PM - Report post
     
    Steam does let you choose to run the windows version of the game even if there is a native version of the game for your system. Wouldn't be hard to tell people how to apply the compatibility option for that if native nix versions are a concern. I've done it for some games to run mods that only work on windows myself.

    I also still don't understand why the trainer can't see it if you run it within the same proton prefix. Memory editors run within the same prefix straight up see it the same was they do on windows. And I could be an idiot here, but aren't trainers mostly just memory editors with preconfigured methods to find all the pointers for the memory addresses and then add hotkeys etc? Or am I very wrong on that?

    EDIT: Also DM'd you a git for something that might help. Sorry missed your earlier message. Been busy with work and then was hanging out with the better half over the weekend.

    [Edited by shimofox, 3/20/2022 11:08:29 PM]

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    0x90 posted on Mar 21, 2022 12:59:33 AM - Report post
     
    Because you didn't read my post. I said the trainer cannot find the game because both are not running in the same proton instance. If they do, they probably find each other. No idea how to run the windows version of a native linux game. I just clicked on download and play and it only downloaded the native linux version and there wasn't any dialog.

    And when it comes to the point that people have to modify and run scripts, changing options etc. (so what a typical Linux user does 24/7) I'm more than afraid of the incoming support tickets. At that point we could also just tell people to install Windows on it.

    It has to be something that works for all games, without having to create specific Linux trainers, without having the user to do anything at all (maximum is to run an app as root if required). Because even if you are a Linux expert and it seems super easy for you, we also have customers asking us how to install Aurora (a portable application...). That's the difference between you are doing something for yourself and we have to do the same as a company for thousands of people paying us money and expect it to work just like that.
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    shimofox posted on Mar 21, 2022 4:26:34 PM - Report post
     
    Sent you a github for that. I was apologizing for the long turn around on not reading it right away, not skipping it. Do with the git as you will. ¯\_(ツ_/¯

    And can REALLY tell you have a hate on for Linux by the way you talk about it. Running the game as windows instead of native is nothing like setting up dual boot to an OS that doesn't even have working audio drivers. If you really don't want to support it just say so. But you're making it sound like it's the end of the world for an end user to go from big picture mode > Configure game > Force Compatability options > Proton > Wait for win version to download > Hit play. And MAYBE add in some launch options that they copy paste.
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