Children of Morta Message Board  

We don't have the manpower to make 3 copies of every trainer for every game distribution out there. It takes a TON of time to make these trainers. When you subscribed to Lifetime in 2014 there was only one distribution platform. So we're just supposed to crank out more and more content than in 2014 as the same price you paid back then, that's fairness? Sorry, but no. If you would like a refund of the probably $29 you paid for Lifetime back in 2014 then I will be happy to do so and you can find another trainer service that puts out more trainers than us and supports every major platform and distribution. (SECRET: You won't find one).

So, yes, those people that support our site for things that didn't exist years ago are the ones that help drive what we do. If you don't think that's fair, then yes the answer is too bad.

And there's another shining example of the gratitude we don't get.

Nah. Keep your money. I'll use CH and just keep my mouth shut. Pretty sure that's what you want anyway.

"So, yes, those people that support our site for things that didn't exist years ago are the ones that help drive what we do. "

So f*ck the rest of us, right? Those of us that signed up for "LIFEtime" can just sit on our "too bad".

Nice.

I've literally sat for years watching your responses to your customers get sh*ttier and sh*ttier, and now you just outright tell us that if we don't like it, it's too bad.

"If you would like a refund of the probably $29 you paid for Lifetime back in 2014"

Not even close. You're welcome to pull up my records and tell everyone what I actually paid.

And why is it that if your staff are all underpaid and overworked I keep having it pointed out to me that they're stealing code from other trainer creators?

I've had more than one person reach out to me after the post I put up before the one you just "responded" to and it turns out that I'm not the only one that feels this way, and that everyone's too sh*t scared to say anything to any of you through fear of losing their accounts. You talk to us like crap after claiming that we had your gratitude when this "lifetime plus" thing was released, which I initially signed up for, and honestly, I think your way with customers, and the way you and some of your staff talk to people who have paid for your services, is disgusting.

You've had my money, so you don't need me any more so it's just "too bad".

I see how it is. Feel free to delete my posts and talk to me in PMs if you'd prefer, but I think for your own sake, you should probably try to save face and try talking to us with some respect.

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I don't think there is any more that needs to be said on the subject. We speak to people the same way we are spoken to. We get treated like sht every day of the week, just ask our support personnel some of the things we have to deal with, all because trainer X wasn't made for distribution Y because distribution Y is $0.30c cheaper than distribution Z, etc. You have received your money's worth 100 times over since 2014. We bust our asses every day trying to please people like yourself who believe they are entitled to something just because they purchased X membership 6 years ago. No one else produces as much content as we do and does more for their community of paying customers. We just literally gave away over $20,000 in free content to our community a little over a month ago which has already been forgotten apparently. Did any other paid trainer site do that? I'm done with this argument. I'll now get back to my job of being called an ashole 50 times a day, oh, and posting trainers in my free time.

Again, happy to refund whatever it was you paid and send you on your way.

You cannot simply think that the trainer makers can make a trainer for every platform by default.
You cannot compare the game industry now with 6+ years ago.
More and more games are being released (including more platforms, EA Games, etc.)
Game Development gets better, game security gets higher, trainers become harder to make so it will take more time + money + manpower to make a trainer for a game.
not sure if you noticed, but more games require constant internet connection. and we cannot make a trainer because of that, guess who gets all the hatred? the developers? hell no!

When i got asked to become a Moderator on Cheat Happens i was happy to do so and the amount of S*it i got thrown at me in the first few weeks makes me wonder what Pwiz and the others must have gotten in almost 20 years.

Understand that some things are just not possible.
Calling the staff bad and their responses garbage is one thing, but think about us and what we face on a daily dose and be happy that this service is still making most people happy, and we still give stuff back to the community and we still come with new things (trainer manager, CoSMOS) those are EXTRA time invested by the team to make YOUR gaming experience better.

Please understand the situation on both sides before making statements.

I don't think people realize how much time it takes to code one trainer, much less 3 times and for multiple updates. My lifetime was paid years ago and was less than 50 bucks. I've used these trainers which are always updated extremely fast, often before a game even releases. Also these people are running a business and getting paid for what they do is necessary to eat and keep the company running. Most people in their situation would just cancel lifetime and go to a monthly sub of 5-15 bucks for a service like this. I don't complain about it. As far as I am concerned I'm getting way more than I ever paid for and I am extremely thankful for the CE team.

I literally worked from 7am until 4am the next day 3 times this week.. updating trainers and fulfilling user requests and etc.

I think Chris was actually too nice to you. Without lifetime plus, we likely would have completely changed the site or moved to another field of work. Members who see the ton of content and the endless and depressing amount of work we deal with, and gave more to us are the ONLY reason we can stay afloat. This list is getting larger and larger.

we supported Forza 4 through 42 patches of pure hell since 2018. each update can take 2 hours or more due to the anticheats in it. If someone were to release this on EPIC, I would tell them to buy it on windows store or play without a trainer, without HESITATION. We cannot provide updates to all games of all platforms as well as put out trainers for all games requested, while trying to add all options requested. There just isn't enough time in the day. I am already working 21 hours days at times as it is..

Cheathappens may not be the best site for you. Perhaps the responses you are getting from the site are not favorable to you because of YOUR posts to begin with.

There is NO PROMISE that we will release trainers for every existence of every platform of a title that is released. It's not feasible. If this is unacceptable to you, then maybe some other site can fulfill the reality you are trying to have. We also have no idea what options can be made, if any, nor the problems that may arise from developers releasing unfinished games onto the public well before they should, and the 100 patches after that. Then you add two more platforms, it TRIPLES the work, and this is for games that might be in early access for 3 years or more. It's simply NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. Yes, its TOO BAD if you expect this from our site, or really any other trainer site.


If I were you, I'd take the refund and go find the place that fits your mentality and expectations, if you can find it.

This is about as nice as I can be responding to this. Apologies if my insane work schedule coupled with user postings like yours have made me salty at times. That IS on me and I will try to do better, but I am human. Also, at times, the answer is just NO and people will have to accept it. If we have time, or unlimited time, then we would do everything requested every time. But that's not reality.

I suggest you take your complaints, also, to another section of the site, rather than dirtying up the Children of Morta thread with non-trainer specific issues.

best,
Cal