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Jaks  posted on Dec 17, 2017 2:54:29 PM - Report post

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So help me bring down the giant Tyrant!

 
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So help me bring down the giant Tyrant!

Don't worry, I'm working on it

 
Varacka  posted on Dec 17, 2017 4:56:02 PM - Report post

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link for me is

Link

Thanks CyPHeR369, I'm back in the group, tho it's real quiet there, since the 24 of July there's only one discussion and it's about Dota 2

As for Jaks concern, the group itself is a link: Cheathappens.com and it's easy to circumvent: cheathappens . com works great, even if it's not direct or clickable anyone would now what to do to connect, especially for those who want to try/use CH trainers and if more & more members could join, the growing number could/should change Steam's point of view...soon enough...hopefully

[Edited by B4Marc, 12/15/2017 7:27:37 AM]

And it's still Jaks' concern. Bear and I have jury-rigged the CH URL with spaces maybe 200 times the last several years and it gets old. Not to mention, every time you give a link to someone new, they want the whole story.

What if it was your name or website accused of something not factual? Would you be ok with it then? You gonna just write your name as B4Ma rc rather than speak up? Besides, quietly accepting this scorn from Steam makes it look like you acknowledge the fact the website is dangerous and just use spaces as a work around for it.

I'll continue to haunt Steam about it and hopefully one day they'll stop this nonsense.

This is a good point. @PWizard do I have your permission to contact steam about them censoring our URL? To at least discuss their concerns with them? Unless you want to do it personally ofc.

 
Varacka  posted on Dec 17, 2017 5:02:36 PM - Report post

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I just reached out to a friend of mine on steam who knows some contacts inside steam. This was his respone. I am censoring his name (replaced with the letter F for friend) because I did not ask nor obtain his permission to post this and don't want to involve him directly so he does not lose those contacts:


:57 PM - Varacka: I would like if you can to have someone contact me to discuss the censoring of the cheathappens link on steam.
5:57 PM - Varacka: I want to try and get that stopped
5:57 PM - F: not gon na happen
5:57 PM - F: discussion has happened many times internally on the dev forums
5:57 PM - F: valve is very firm on the "we're gonna continue blocking links that serve cheat services"
5:57 PM - F: they dont care if its SP only like CH and ****** or anyone else
5:57 PM - F: they cant discriminate for legal reasons
5:57 PM - Varacka: really? devs have actually wanted to get cheat happens allowed?
5:58 PM - F: if they unban CH links then someone who sells CSGO hacks could tryt and sue to get their links unbanned too
5:58 PM - Varacka: I still want to discuss it with them
5:58 PM - F: so to be fair, ALL cheat links are removed
5:58 PM - F: and no not devs, but some mods have mentioned allowing it for singleplayer titles
5:58 PM - F: valve is very firm on the matter
5:59 PM - F: for customer/front end matters, steam support or the steam forums themselves usually handle such inquiries
5:59 PM - F: but be prepared for a hard no
5:59 PM - F: in your case steam forums would be best
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So it sounds like we need to all get a campaign going on the steam forums to get the site uncensored. Would be some great publicity too.

[Edited by Varacka, 12/17/2017 5:12:24 PM]

 
Jaks  posted on Dec 17, 2017 5:30:47 PM - Report post

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Nice job getting that convo, Varacka. Shows just how stacked the odds against us really are. I've always run into a brick wall trying to get something done with them.

But it's not a level playing field either. For example, Nexus Mods. If you send a link for them, you get a caution is all. Not an official Steam site, etc., then it continues on the the Nexus site.

Given the difference between having our link just removed and what you get sending Nexus Mods links, I'd much rather have the latter.

Here's some other ironies.

-Steam reposted a story in PC World about ****** (Free) Trainers awhile back.
-They give us pages for the Steam CH group.
-CH has on many occasions said that Steam is the #1 Go-to platform games. Steam has never complained about that either.
-No AV company or online website scanner finds any malware or harmful issues with the CH website.
-Virustotal has CH as 0/66. So 66 scanners say CH is safe.

But Steam & Valve won't allow even a link to the site. Yeah. Seems fair. Not hardly.
Taurus and I think maybe we should offer Gabe some RC's. XD


 
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Nice job getting that convo, Varacka. Shows just how stacked the odds against us really are. I've always run into a brick wall trying to get something done with them.

But it's not a level playing field either. For example, Nexus Mods. If you send a link for them, you get a caution is all. Not an official Steam site, etc., then it continues on the the Nexus site.

Given the difference between having our link just removed and what you get sending Nexus Mods links, I'd much rather have the latter.

Here's some other ironies.

-Steam reposted a story in PC World about ****** (Free) Trainers awhile back.
-They give us pages for the Steam CH group.
-CH has on many occasions said that Steam is the #1 Go-to platform games. Steam has never complained about that either.
-No AV company or online website scanner finds any malware or harmful issues with the CH website.
-Virustotal has CH as 0/66. So 66 scanners say CH is safe.

But Steam & Valve won't allow even a link to the site. Yeah. Seems fair. Not hardly.
Taurus and I think maybe we should offer Gabe some RC's. XD


Actually I am talking to pwiz about a program to trade rc's for support in a steam forums camapign to get the site uncensored. I encourge you to join and help.

 
Jaks  posted on Dec 17, 2017 5:41:33 PM - Report post

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What's the plan? Point us to whatever you start, happy to contribute.

Btw, I don't understand the comparison to CS:GO. That game is MP thru and thru other than killing some bots but no story mode.

I have 6-7 cheat sites that aren't blocked and don't even get a warning.

But if you click a CH link in the Steam chat (if they don't remove it) you get this:

Link Blocked!
This link has been flagged as potentially malicious.
www.cheathappens.com has been flagged as being potentially malicious. For your safety, Steam will not open this URL in your web browser. The site could contain malicious content or be known for stealing user credentials.
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That right there is totally false and completely unfair.








[Edited by Jaks, 12/17/2017 7:51:37 PM]

 
CyPHeR369  posted on Dec 17, 2017 6:05:51 PM - Report post

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I would have brought up the fact that, they allow nexus, nexus hosts mods that allow you to cheat and their links are untouched?????? So I guess they do discriminate it seems.
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