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Ranikmonicle  posted on Mar 14, 2012 12:56:57 PM - Report post

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So i just completed it.


I feel like i wasted my time playing it now.

 
Skyheart  posted on Mar 14, 2012 1:24:23 PM - Report post

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So i just completed it.


I feel like i wasted my time playing it now.

Move it along, nothing to see here. Thread's over that way.

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Drakonis  posted on Mar 14, 2012 5:37:53 PM - Report post

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I think something is up, the indoctrination/attempted indoctrination theory is gaining traction with me. Something is coming from Bioware. Check out these twitter feeds with developers

Some twittering with the devs - are we trolled or they are up to something that will blow us all away?

User 1: "I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?"
@masseffect: "The sun, it shines. www.youtube.com/watch"


User 2: "You are either a massive sadist or a beacon of hope."
@masseffect: "Can't it be both?"


User 3: "I kinda feel lost after that ending...not what I expected and left me feeling everything done was for nothing."
@masseffect: "We know it's a lot to take in! But hang in there. Your decisions matter."


User 4: "Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough."
@masseffect: "Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different."


User 5: "I loved 98% of ME3..but something has to be up w/ ending..too much talent at BW for that business. Keep my saves?"
@masseffect: "We're keeping our saves, that's for sure."


User 6: "Fans are people too. Playing with their minds isn't that nice as it may look like to people from Bioware."
@masseffect: "We're not playing with anyone's minds, we are answering what questions we can and recording what feedback we receive."


User 7: "Its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she [was] with me."
@masseffect: "Probably a good thing to be cautious of."


User 8: "Do y'all have any ETA when more news will be released? Dying for news on a new ending/DLC."
@masseffect: "No ETA yet, but you will be updated via Facebook and Twitter when the news is available ."

And some more:

User 1 -Well, i think i'll stop naggin you and trying to get you to talk about the indoctrination theory. Good game though!
Merizan - I want people to make up their own minds right now, then when more people have played we'll talk

User 2 - then I want to SEE that he was lying. I want to get up and finish the fight with Commander Shepard. Then retire.
Merizan - augh. want. to. discuss! Staying spoiler free for now :P

User 3 - But should've confronted the kid instead. Shep went meekly into the night.
Merizan - are you sure he went meekly into the night?

 
DABhand  posted on Mar 14, 2012 5:50:32 PM - Report post

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The only time Shepard even comes close to a reaper artifact, is during Arrival DLC. However, they can't assume everyone played that. Then again I guess they could. Since Liara is the Shadow Broker, even if you did not play LoTSB.

That is wrong.

Shepard was rebuilt with reaper tech in ME2, as the Illusive Man has reaper tech inside him also.

So yes as I have said before its not dreams it is indoctrination.

 
Lizml86  posted on Mar 14, 2012 6:16:40 PM - Report post

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originally posted by Lizml86

The only time Shepard even comes close to a reaper artifact, is during Arrival DLC. However, they can't assume everyone played that. Then again I guess they could. Since Liara is the Shadow Broker, even if you did not play LoTSB.

That is wrong.

Shepard was rebuilt with reaper tech in ME2, as the Illusive Man has reaper tech inside him also.

So yes as I have said before its not dreams it is indoctrination.

Whaaa. where was this said? at no point in the videos on cerberus base was this mentioned. It's plausible sure, but highly doubtful, for reasons stated before.

 
DABhand  posted on Mar 14, 2012 6:27:07 PM - Report post

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originally posted by Lizml86

The only time Shepard even comes close to a reaper artifact, is during Arrival DLC. However, they can't assume everyone played that. Then again I guess they could. Since Liara is the Shadow Broker, even if you did not play LoTSB.

That is wrong.

Shepard was rebuilt with reaper tech in ME2, as the Illusive Man has reaper tech inside him also.

So yes as I have said before its not dreams it is indoctrination.

Whaaa. where was this said? at no point in the videos on cerberus base was this mentioned. It's plausible sure, but highly doubtful, for reasons stated before.

The story as ive said before.. is that

Jack Harper was a member of a special intelligence unit for humans, called Cerberus and he had 2 other members, a friend Bill and Eva Core (yes as in EDI's new body eva which was modelled from the human Eva). As you may guess Jack Harper is the Illusive Man's real name.

On Shanxi there were on an operation to take out an advance Turian Scouting party, which they did and captured a commanding officer. They used the officer to split the main Turian camps forces and then took the rest by surprise which was led by a Turian called Desolas.

Jack and Bill went inside a cave they were guarding, to find a Reaper Beacon (not Prothean) and Bill got close and was being electrocuted and Jack tried to pull him away and was caught in it also. Bill died and Jack escaped with injuries. Later they started to manifest and give Jack more powerful eyes etc.

During the wait though he was captured by Desolas and took elsewhere while in a coma, when he came out of it the war was over and he was to be returned. He met Saren at this point, and Saren is Desolas' brother. Long story short, fighting.... Jack kills Desolas, Saren kills Eva, Saren ****ed off with Jack and humans, Jack becomes more mechanized. Goes into hiding from Saren, becomes the Illusive Man and heads up Cerberus.

Gets corpse of Shepard uses reaper tech to bring him back. Hence why all the scaring is like it is with the bright lights from nano-machines etc. And as said before in another thread, in ME2 if you go Renegade your eyes become mechanized also.



EDIT:

Forgot to mention Bill didn't die 100% he was turned into a Husk.

EDIT2:

The Comic Evolution - changes the story that Bill kills Eva as a husk (but a self aware husk) and Saren kills his brother Desolas by blowing up the lab he was in.

[Edited by DABhand, 3/14/2012 6:40:40 PM]

 
Lizml86  posted on Mar 14, 2012 6:46:33 PM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by DABhand

quote:
originally posted by Lizml86

quote:
originally posted by DABhand

quote:
originally posted by Lizml86

The only time Shepard even comes close to a reaper artifact, is during Arrival DLC. However, they can't assume everyone played that. Then again I guess they could. Since Liara is the Shadow Broker, even if you did not play LoTSB.

That is wrong.

Shepard was rebuilt with reaper tech in ME2, as the Illusive Man has reaper tech inside him also.

So yes as I have said before its not dreams it is indoctrination.

Whaaa. where was this said? at no point in the videos on cerberus base was this mentioned. It's plausible sure, but highly doubtful, for reasons stated before.

The story as ive said before.. is that

Jack Harper was a member of a special intelligence unit for humans, called Cerberus and he had 2 other members, a friend Bill and Eva Core (yes as in EDI's new body eva which was modelled from the human Eva). As you may guess Jack Harper is the Illusive Man's real name.

On Shanxi there were on an operation to take out an advance Turian Scouting party, which they did and captured a commanding officer. They used the officer to split the main Turian camps forces and then took the rest by surprise which was led by a Turian called Desolas.

Jack and Bill went inside a cave they were guarding, to find a Reaper Beacon (not Prothean) and Bill got close and was being electrocuted and Jack tried to pull him away and was caught in it also. Bill died and Jack escaped with injuries. Later they started to manifest and give Jack more powerful eyes etc.

During the wait though he was captured by Desolas and took elsewhere while in a coma, when he came out of it the war was over and he was to be returned. He met Saren at this point, and Saren is Desolas' brother. Long story short, fighting.... Jack kills Desolas, Saren kills Eva, Saren ****ed off with Jack and humans, Jack becomes more mechanized. Goes into hiding from Saren, becomes the Illusive Man and heads up Cerberus.

Gets corpse of Shepard uses reaper tech to bring him back. Hence why all the scaring is like it is with the bright lights from nano-machines etc. And as said before in another thread, in ME2 if you go Renegade your eyes become mechanized also.

EDIT:

Forgot to mention Bill didn't die 100% he was turned into a Husk.

EDIT2:

The Comic Evolution - changes the story that Bill kills Eva as a husk (but a self aware husk) and Saren kills his brother Desolas by blowing up the lab he was in.

[Edited by DABhand, 3/14/2012 6:40:40 PM]

Right... I need to buy the books, read up on all the background details they dont mention on the games...

Thank you for clearing that up.

 
Alias117  posted on Mar 14, 2012 8:11:53 PM - Report post

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I dunno. The whole indoctrination theory just doesn't vibe well with me. For all accounts throughout the ME series it's stated that indoctrination takes quite some time for it to take effect, being subtle at first.

If the ending sequences really just were an indoctrination hallucination why the hell didn't sovereign just use that in ME1 during the Citadel account to hold Shepard away from the controls.

I don't know there's a lot of speculation out there but the endings just don't make sense to me, no matter how you put it

The dreams shepard has been having, other small things through the game, and what happend during the long period with cerberus before he woke up again, did he get exposed to some of the reaper tech by the illusive man.

The more i think about the 2 endings where you in a sense surrender your life you are theres too control you are indoctrinated, but the one where you say go f... your selfs synthetics you wake up on the ground in London that makes me think hmm might be something to this theory.

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