Funny that you say ZS has stupid reasoning then look at your second to last post in the above quote, even when your flimsy reason was sunk by Latios you carry on anyway with no reason at all to award Dumbledore a point Makes the whole debate pointless if thats the way you want to roll lol
But if stupid reasoning is allowed, the I'll say TitanicFan's post doesn't count since I believe the movie Titanic sucked and therefore anyone who likes it wouldn't know a good wizard if they blasted you with a fireball.
And how is Gandalf overshadowed by a little girl? There are no little girls in the LOTR unless you count extras. And if you are actually referring to Frodo or some other character, then just look at that dork Harry Potter.
Sacrifice where someone dies = Death.
Doesn't matter how, dead is dead. He was out played and had to die because of his inability to out think his enemies, and only realised when it was too late. And you still haven't proved Gandalf didn't sacrifice himself, where I have provided reasons, and will give a couple more - He knew the Balrog would need to be faced, but was prepared to face it anyway knowing it could kill him, and when he did confront it he told Aragon to get everyone out, not expecting to survive the encounter.
ZS-I'm sorry. That was a little harsh. That was posted around 2 am, so I was pretty tired. That's not an excuse though.
Potato- -I've already said sorry. Not much else I can do. -Now you're just attacking a love stuck girl! -I was referring to Frodo. And Harry is a dork. That's what makes him awesome. -If dead is dead, then Gandalf died as well. Dumbledore was not out-thunk by his enemies! He out-thunk them! He knew what was coming, and decided to let them kill him. It was like he was playing a very strategic game of chess. Some pieces just have to be sacrificed. In this case, it was Dumbledore. Dumbledore also knew he wouldn't survive it (obviously). He talked to Harry just before the encounter. He had also had multiple conversations with his murderer, Snape, beforehand.
-It's all good -Easy target, and it was hardly an attack -Dorks are at times funny, but not awesome, otherwise they wouldn't be called dorks. They'd be called awesomes Either way Harry & Frodo suck, so they cancel eachother out -Yes but Gandalf was sent back to life and able to carry on being awesome Strategy or not, Dumbledore is now unable to help anyone at all
To your third point- If they were called awesomes, then everyone would want to be like them, and us. Ten dorkiness would go mainstream and lose all its awesomeness. Therefore making it not awesome. So they must hide their awesomeness for they would lose it if the world found out. And yes. They still cancel each other out. Although Harry is better.
And to your last point-Dumbledore was smart enough to take care of everything he needed to take care of before he died. It's called taking care of business. Apparently Gandlaf is unable to do this. And actually, you're wrong in your last sentence. Even after death Dumbledore appeared to Harry while he was in some sort of trance. Whilst in this "Trance", he was able to pass on wise words to Harry.
I have not read any of the Lord of the Rings novels, nor have I seen the movies. I tried to watch the first one, and it put me to sleep. But I love the Harry Potter series. I have read all of the books and seen all the movies that're out. Dumbledore is a genius. He always knows what's going on and how to fix it. His complex riddles just show how smart he is, and how actually smart Hermione (sp?) Ron and Harry are. Dumbledore isn't just the Headmaster. He doesn't just sit in front of a stack of papers. He's the most well-known wizard, and as said in the series, arguably the greatest wizard of all time. I believe the only other wizards who're as famous as Dumbledore are Harry and Voldemort.
-No, if it being dorks was awesome it would not be mainstream, because what makes awesome so awesome is that it is not mainstream, if awesome was mainstream it would be common and boring, but being awesome is not common, and therefore becomes a rarer and more valuable quality than being a dork as dork is a negative and undesired label.
-Yes I know he appeared to Harry but he (IMO) was as useless as a talking stick, the wise words were just wind and noise, Harry had all he needed to bring down Voldemort he was just deluded into thinking he needed Dumbledore's help after he died. Gandalf didn't need to take care of anything, his plan was still in motion and being carried out in his absence, the Ring was still on its way to Mt Doom and would still be dumped into the lava wether he lived or not. It was the Valar who decided he was needed to become the leader of the Istari and come back to life, not because he was needed to save Middle-Earth (though it would have been harder without him, they still would have won).