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LifeOfGaming  posted on May 01, 2010 2:00:39 PM - Report post

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Indeed. But what is the value of our lives? We're all the same, we just look different. What's my life compared to yours? Or the president's(of the US)? Just because someone is ahead of the other, like a general over a private and lieutenant, doesn't mean that the general's life is more valued than the private's. Sure, the general might make the commands. And when he dies in battle, everyone usually panics in somehow a calm way. They're freakin' out because the only guy that had a back-up plan died. Calm. Down. It's not the end of the world if the president gets shot. We as humans over-react too much.
 
Paradox  posted on May 01, 2010 2:04:59 PM - Report post

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I doubt humans will live to see it. Evolution is a very slow process, and nothing will evolve if there isn't a need for it. Dolphins, for example, are doing decently as a species. Natural selection cannot eliminate the dolphins that have a lower level of intelligence, as intelligence doesn't carry too much of an advantage.

Dolphins are doing just fine as they are, so they will not change. Nothing will change until there's a need for it.

That's a decent point but it doesn't really have the possibility to be backed by evidence. We've only been able to come up with theories like these for the past few hundred years or so, that's not long enough to make a definitive statement. Us as human beings didn't need to evolve from living in caves and hunting and gathering, yet are intelligence continued to grow rapidly, in remarkable time. In several thousand years we went from living in huts and shacks and stone buildings to where we are now, and not entirely out of necessity.

As for your point of view, LifeOfGaming, Human's are a very versatile species, I don't think we'll die off that easily, we will do what we have to do to survive, even if it isn't pretty.

[Edited by fault2k, 5/1/2010 1:55:56 PM]

What can't be backed up by evidence? What theory? Evolution? Please be more specific.

And humans did, in fact, evolve entirely due to necessity. While less intelligent beings died out, the intelligent humans survived and lived on to pass their genes to the next generation. Although that's not entirely why humans are intelligent today, it does show that to survive, you needed to be intelligent.

As for going from stone buildings to skyscrapers and such, that wasn't an increase in intelligence so much as society learning more about architecture.

 
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To avoid a quote pyramid, I'm just gonna say that I misunderstood you, and in turn made a unrelated reply, you have a very good point.

I still think that evolution can happen outside of necessity. Dolphins come up with games to play using there blow holes to blow ring bubbles (like smoke rings but with air and under water). Different species play games to pass time, if they are intelligent enough to have the free time to play games, I'm sure they can adapt to things, not necessarily evolve, as you said, we didn't evolve just learned more about are planet, but look at primates, they are coming up with more adoptions, I'm not saying where on the brink of something, but it's a possibility.

[Edited by fault2k, 5/1/2010 2:12:16 PM]

 
LifeOfGaming  posted on May 01, 2010 2:16:16 PM - Report post

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I agree.

I think that monkeys, gorillas, etc, could do the same with some thinking. We have very intelligent animals in this world. Crows among them. You may not believe this, but crows are one of the most intelligent birds on earth. And you're probably thinking: 'How in the world does that dumb thing even know where it's own nest is; let alone being intelligent?!' Well, I'll tell you.

Birds eat a variety of things. Including nuts. The crows will put the nut on the road. That's not all he's leaving behind... And when a car goes by, it cracks open the nut. The bird then eats the nut. I think multiple birds do this, but i think learning that the crows would do this fascinated me the most.

And for those of you that don't like raccoons getting in your trash, and you think they're just nasty creatures beyond belief, lemme tell you something you might not have known; raccoons are actually clean animals. You're thinking: 'Yeah, right. Liar!' I'm not lying. Raccoons will wash their food off before eating it. How cool is that?!

We are living among some of the worlds most intelligent animals. Us, on top. Or so we think...


I want what you all think about 2012. Is it fact or fiction? I highly doubt that the world will peril; didn't people say the same thing about the year 2000? And look at us now. 10 freakin' years later.

 
fault2k  posted on May 01, 2010 2:57:15 PM - Report post

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I agree.

I think that monkeys, gorillas, etc, could do the same with some thinking. We have very intelligent animals in this world. Crows among them. You may not believe this, but crows are one of the most intelligent birds on earth. And you're probably thinking: 'How in the world does that dumb thing even know where it's own nest is; let alone being intelligent?!' Well, I'll tell you.

Birds eat a variety of things. Including nuts. The crows will put the nut on the road. That's not all he's leaving behind... And when a car goes by, it cracks open the nut. The bird then eats the nut. I think multiple birds do this, but i think learning that the crows would do this fascinated me the most.

And for those of you that don't like raccoons getting in your trash, and you think they're just nasty creatures beyond belief, lemme tell you something you might not have known; raccoons are actually clean animals. You're thinking: 'Yeah, right. Liar!' I'm not lying. Raccoons will wash their food off before eating it. How cool is that?!

We are living among some of the worlds most intelligent animals. Us, on top. Or so we think...


I want what you all think about 2012. Is it fact or fiction? I highly doubt that the world will peril; didn't people say the same thing about the year 2000? And look at us now. 10 freakin' years later.

If you want to discuss this with people make your own topic please, this has been moved to general discussion and that would be changing the topic, thank you.

Birds are very smart creatures, very adaptable and hard working for themselves and there young. One of the smarter species even makes large nest with multiple other pairs of birds, sometimes even hundreds. But this is turning into more of an evolution and nature friendly topic, what do you all think would happen if there were other sentient species on this planet. What are your predictions? Warfare, peace, segregations, inter-species pairing and development? What if anything do you think would change.

 
LifeOfGaming  posted on May 01, 2010 4:01:12 PM - Report post

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I think everything would change. With new species comes new demands, threats, and habitats. Inter-species breeding is out of the question. If that were to happen, and entirely new species would obviously occur, causing even more and higher demands for it. We simply cannot allow it, and i'm sure that we would shoot first, questions later. If we survive, that is.
 
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I think everything would change. With new species comes new demands, threats, and habitats. Inter-species breeding is out of the question. If that were to happen, and entirely new species would obviously occur, causing even more and higher demands for it. We simply cannot allow it, and i'm sure that we would shoot first, questions later. If we survive, that is.

Inter-species breeding could only produce children if the two species branched from the same genus. A species completely separate from humans would not be able to interbreed.

 
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*facepalms* Ok, maybe I should have blatantly said that it was an exaggeration in order to get the topic back on topic again, Obviously it couldn't happen, but we were headed towards 2012 theories and I was suggesting the war, peace, or other theories you had. The inter-species breeding thing was an obvious (I thought) over exaggeration to get things back on topic.


EDIT: I am being redundant, Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

[Edited by fault2k, 5/1/2010 4:22:10 PM]

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