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Unbreakable  posted on Apr 24, 2010 4:21:34 PM - Report post

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That is a scary fact. In my opinion. And as of 4chan..i've heard of it. Some of my "friends" at school go on all the time. personally..I think it sounds stupid. I go on the internet when I need to. To look something up, or to check up on CH and see what's going on. When I get on here, I browse the boards. If no one is responding to what I'm on, I leave and check back later. I personally don't use the internet for porn. I'm not a 40yr old man who lives in his moms basement..I'm a 17yr old man who lives in his moms basement. Yes, I rambled about things that no one cares about and got off-topic, so i will leave you with this:

The internet doesn't need to be "censored" as a whole. there are some parts that should be restricted to underage people..porn and 4chan especially, along with hate crimes, and cyber bulliers. They are the bane of why "Internet Censorship" is brought up so much. I dont want to sound lame, but if we could stick to just the simplist things, like how we are here in this CH community..helping eachother out, talking about common interests, really getting along like we all usually do..The internet would be a much safer place.

I'm not asking for hand holding and singing or anything like that..But if we could really just get down to the fact that the internet is like the worlds biggest mask...you can be whoever you want to be on here..and that I suggest you just be who you are in life, and help to make the internet enjoyable for everyone, not something that needs to be "censored"

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Paradox  posted on Apr 24, 2010 4:40:49 PM - Report post

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originally posted by Toastman

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originally posted by Paradox

My post wasn't intended as a reply to yours, but I can see what you're saying. Most people are already careful of what they say online, though. People already try to present a safe environment for children, the parent just has to check in on their kid every once in a while.

[Edited by Paradox, 4/24/2010 3:20:55 PM]

Most people? Are you kidding? Over 12 percent of all internet sites are porn sites. That's an eighth of the entire internet. One out of every eight sites. Most people go to to more than eight sites alone per visit to the internet. Have you ever heard of 4chan? That's practically the face of all the wrong of the internet. And it's also one of the most visited sites on the internet.

Parents may think they've got a good hold on their children and the internet. But did you know that 90% of kids between the ages of 8 and 16 have already viewed porn online. Most of which is while doing homework.

I'm talking about sites that aren't meant to host inappropriate content. Take CHU for example. Because of the age of people on CHU, inappropriate images aren't posted and swears are censored. CHU is meant to be a site that's safe for kids, and it's kept that way. As for porn sites, that's the parent's job.

And yeah, 4chan sure is a scary place. Did you ever see their papercraft and origami section? Frightening stuff. As for the whole "90% of kids" thing, I doubt that's a reliable statistic. I'd really like to know how it was established.

[Edited by Paradox, 4/24/2010 4:41:31 PM]

 
QueenNic  posted on Apr 24, 2010 4:50:21 PM - Report post

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originally posted by Paradox

My post wasn't intended as a reply to yours, but I can see what you're saying. Most people are already careful of what they say online, though. People already try to present a safe environment for children, the parent just has to check in on their kid every once in a while.

[Edited by Paradox, 4/24/2010 3:20:55 PM]

Most people? Are you kidding? Over 12 percent of all internet sites are porn sites. That's an eighth of the entire internet. One out of every eight sites. Most people go to to more than eight sites alone per visit to the internet. Have you ever heard of 4chan? That's practically the face of all the wrong of the internet. And it's also one of the most visited sites on the internet.

Parents may think they've got a good hold on their children and the internet. But did you know that 90% of kids between the ages of 8 and 16 have already viewed porn online. Most of which is while doing homework.

Porn is hardly a big deal between the ages of 8 and 16. There's this thing called puberty that causes increased sexual curiosity and desires. It is perfectly normal for a teenager to look up porn, I'd go as far as to call it abnormal NOT to have viewed porn online.

I'd also say that things like data protection and bomb-building tutorials are a bigger deal to the government than "innapropriate content". Most of this "innapropriate" stuff is innocent enough, we just assume the worst over nudity because everyone's so goddamn prudish. If you are incapable of looking at an artistic nude without thinking "sinful", "sex", "disgusting" or anything connected to those three then you have a serious problem.

 
SuperSkyline89  posted on Apr 24, 2010 5:59:53 PM - Report post

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I went to wikipedia to check out which countries have internet censorship. Turns out technically pretty much all developed countries have it, except it's the kind where the government provides ISPs with child porn sites to block. I agree with something like that.

But the kind of censorship in China or Iran is just wrong. It's the typical hypocritical government BS that you'd expect from these countries. They claim it's to preserve decency or whatever but it's really just to maintain control.

As for this whole porn thing. So what? Nic_Durron said it perfectly, it's just a bunch of pubescent kids with raging hormones, I'd be more worried if they hadn't seen some form of porn. As long as it isn't any of that abusive stuff then no one's being hurt.

Regardless, that's a parenting issue. Every good internet security program out there has a parental control suite in it. If someone doesn't want their kids to see porn they have no excuse for not finding a way to stop them. However, most parents these days aren't so good with computers so they might not even know that you can watch porn on the internet, but that won't last for long. When all of us are parents, we will know, and the ones who care will use parental control.

In the end this is just like TV shows, movies, and video games. A good parent knows what their kids do, the kind that blames the government or entertainment companies is simply a bad parent making excuses for their own incompetence.

As for the whole porn being thought of as disgusting or sinful. That's just because cultures outside of the West are far more private about sexual affairs. Things like porn are for *****s, people with no self respect, a naked body is the business of no one outside of the marriage. And I personally agree with that idea, I wouldn't touch anyone who does porn with a 10 foot poll.

[Edited by SuperSkyline89, 4/24/2010 6:10:05 PM]

 
saurabhfzd  posted on Apr 24, 2010 11:09:05 PM - Report post

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its always about 'control'. they may want the world to believe that its for the 'right reasons' but we all know the truth. and as for bad influence..well..kids r going to be exposed to it one way or another and it is upto the parents to help their kids make the right choices and hope for the best.
 
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The China blocks aren't that bad.. If you know what to do about them
 
Toastman  posted on Apr 26, 2010 11:33:36 AM - Report post

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originally posted by Unbreakable

The internet doesn't need to be "censored" as a whole. there are some parts that should be restricted to underage people..porn and 4chan especially, along with hate crimes, and cyber bulliers. They are the bane of why "Internet Censorship" is brought up so much. I dont want to sound lame, but if we could stick to just the simplist things, like how we are here in this CH community..helping eachother out, talking about common interests, really getting along like we all usually do..The internet would be a much safer place.


My point exactly. If adult materials were to be taken down from the internet as a whole, then it would become a safe environment that anybody can be trusted with. The internet is the biggest tool known to mankind. It allows us to collect, congregate, and share information with each other seamlessly without any actual physical interaction. So why waste it on something so pointless as self satisfaction?

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CHU is meant to be a site that's safe for kids, and it's kept that way. As for porn sites, that's the parent's job.


Why not have all websites be like that though? As I've already said, why not have the internet be the perfect place for all to interact freely without ever worrying about what may happen? If the internet were free of porn, it would literally bring a new age of civil maturity, for lack of a better word, that would ultimately bring up our race's self worth as a whole. Without all that deep, dark, and self loathing crap, we would literally become a better race of human beings.

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Porn is hardly a big deal between the ages of 8 and 16. There's this thing called puberty that causes increased sexual curiosity and desires. It is perfectly normal for a teenager to look up porn, I'd go as far as to call it abnormal NOT to have viewed porn online.


Are you honestly trying to tell me that you'd rather your kids go search out pictures of boobs rather than come to you ask you about the birds and the bees? You really want your 10 year old child, a mere innocent little child to learn the facts of life from someone who lurks in the deepest orifice of 4chan?

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I'd also say that things like data protection and bomb-building tutorials are a bigger deal to the government than "innapropriate content". Most of this "innapropriate" stuff is innocent enough, we just assume the worst over nudity because everyone's so goddamn prudish. If you are incapable of looking at an artistic nude without thinking "sinful", "sex", "disgusting" or anything connected to those three then you have a serious problem.


I had assumed that you all knew that my little ban idea would cover things like pipe bombs and the like. I was just a tad more focused on the pornographic aspect.

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Regardless, that's a parenting issue. Every good internet security program out there has a parental control suite in it. If someone doesn't want their kids to see porn they have no excuse for not finding a way to stop them. However, most parents these days aren't so good with computers so they might not even know that you can watch porn on the internet, but that won't last for long. When all of us are parents, we will know, and the ones who care will use parental control.


It's true that any parent worth a dime would be able to keep a rather close eye on their child. Especially when it comes to something so sensitive as the internet. But we cannot be there all the time. No one can keep an eye on them 24/7. If this ban were to take effect, then we wouldn't need to do any of that. Parental blocks would be obsolete.

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As for the whole porn being thought of as disgusting or sinful. That's just because cultures outside of the West are far more private about sexual affairs.


Our entire culture as a whole would take an abrupt turn to the better if this were to happen. Not only would the Eastern cultures be happy with the rest of the world, our tensions would slowly diminish because of our rising respect for each other. As I've said multiple times, our culture and race as a whole would rise in theoretical self worth.

 
SuperSkyline89  posted on Apr 26, 2010 1:04:18 PM - Report post

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It's true that any parent worth a dime would be able to keep a rather close eye on their child. Especially when it comes to something so sensitive as the internet. But we cannot be there all the time. No one can keep an eye on them 24/7. If this ban were to take effect, then we wouldn't need to do any of that. Parental blocks would be obsolete.

Sure it would mean no one has to worry about it at all but it's overkill. It'd be like putting speed limiters on every single car so they can't go anywhere over 70. Or so they can't accelerate over a set rate.

This issue is about little kids. It's not hard to control them. Don't buy them their own computer, don't give them their own user account on your computer, don't tell them your password. The only way they're going to get online is when you let them and for how long you let them. Of course that leaves to possibility of them searching porn at a friends house, so talk to their friend's parents.

I mentioned the difference in attitude towards sexual issues between Western and Eastern cultures already. Another difference is in the power structure at home. The parents have all the power, the kids have none, not at the age we're talking about.

[Edited by SuperSkyline89, 4/26/2010 1:52:48 PM]

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