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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 8:36:13 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

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I don't think I ever said mohammad is perfect, only god is perfect.

And I believe any christian who is religious wouldn't be happy if you draw a stick man and said it was jesus.

And as I said before, drawing an image of any prophet isn't right, because no one is like them, and drawing an image if them would mean that this character got the same personality as them.

To be honest I could fail giving you the exact reason why this isn't allowed, just because I never really searched through this matter, I'm sure someone else would be able to make this a bit clearer.

No...I don't think Christians WOULD get upset. Heck, I'm Catholic and I wouldn't get upset if someone drew a stick figure and said it was Jesus.

Here, I'll even do it myself...Link Look everyone! Its Jesus!

Yeah, I used to go to Catholic school as a kid and sometimes in art we would draw Jesus as an activity.

Drawing Jesus doesn't even come up on the radar as something that could possibly offend me... and I feel like I'm a fairly religious person.

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Ahh.. First let me clear up on the hole imagery thing.

No artiest no matter how gifted or talented can put the Divine in an image and expect to people to bealive that he has put the whole grandeur of a man chosen by god to spread a religion, let alone artiest try to find an imagery to God.
Islam did this out of protection of what's Divine to it's eyes and to the eyes of Muslims of every race. When you take Jesues for instant (The Standard image of a white man with a brown beard, this is certainly not the guy..) every single race in the hole world have taken this image and changed it accordingly to theirs' -African American churches have a black skinned man instead-, so this is protection from the untrained minds of normal people to everything that has been classed Divine by history and scripture. (Not just Muhammad and God).

As for the hole argue about the Danish drawings Muslims have protested peacefully inside their country's. As for others around the world there are those whom we call even in Islam extremists. They ware Islam as a face for their deeds which actually have no connection to Islam what so ever (This is what caused the whole dark image of us in the West), and even organizations ie Alqida. So in the end you cant judge a religion based on what few hypocrites of it do, and expect to have a whole grasp of it.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 10:18:48 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

 quote:
 originally posted by Darkish:

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 originally posted by Rami:

I don't think I ever said mohammad is perfect, only god is perfect.

And I believe any christian who is religious wouldn't be happy if you draw a stick man and said it was jesus.

And as I said before, drawing an image of any prophet isn't right, because no one is like them, and drawing an image if them would mean that this character got the same personality as them.

To be honest I could fail giving you the exact reason why this isn't allowed, just because I never really searched through this matter, I'm sure someone else would be able to make this a bit clearer.

No...I don't think Christians WOULD get upset. Heck, I'm Catholic and I wouldn't get upset if someone drew a stick figure and said it was Jesus.

Here, I'll even do it myself...Link Look everyone! Its Jesus!

Well I asked a RL christian friend of mine who is really religious if he would get upset if someone drew a stick figure he said that he would, and almost every religious christian person would. =/

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 10:37:21 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

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Ahh.. First let me clear up on the hole imagery thing.

No artiest no matter how gifted or talented can put the Divine in an image and expect to people to bealive that he has put the whole grandeur of a man chosen by god to spread a religion, let alone artiest try to find an imagery to God.
Islam did this out of protection of what's Divine to it's eyes and to the eyes of Muslims of every race. When you take Jesues for instant (The Standard image of a white man with a brown beard, this is certainly not the guy..) every single race in the hole world have taken this image and changed it accordingly to theirs' -African American churches have a black skinned man instead-, so this is protection from the untrained minds of normal people to everything that has been classed Divine by history and scripture. (Not just Muhammad and God).

As for the hole argue about the Danish drawings Muslims have protested peacefully inside their country's. As for others around the world there are those whom we call even in Islam extremists. They ware Islam as a face for their deeds which actually have no connection to Islam what so ever (This is what caused the whole dark image of us in the West), and even organizations ie Alqida. So in the end you cant judge a religion based on what few hypocrites of it do, and expect to have a whole grasp of it.

You can't say extremists have no connection to Islam, it's the foundation of their actions. If islam didn't exist, islam extremists wouldn't exist, it's a completely relevant correlation. In the west, especially England there is an abundance of Muslims, we are hardly sheltered from their culture and I am obviously aware that not every religious person is a religious fanatic. However, they think they are right just as much as you think you're right, you can't justify one without the other, especially in this case since it's based on the interpretation of the same thing. If anything, fundamentalism is probably the closest thing to religious obedience. Though, the nature of religion becomes contradictory if it compromises life.

At the moment, I understand that Muslims don't want to create an image of their prophet because they want to protect it's sanctity or something. I however, am not Muslim in the slightest. Why can't I draw Muhammad? I don't abide by any of your religious rules so why should they affect me? Do you think it's ok for Muslims to religiously try and police the world?

If I had the budget to invent a religion which enforced the rule that you aren't allowed to use the internet, is it ok for me to shut down the internet entirely or try to kill everyone who uses it?

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 10:52:35 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

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Drawing a prophet is wrong. Drawing a COMIC about a prophet is VERY wrong!

It's wrong because prophets are "holy" to us Muslims, and since nobody knows what did they look like, then they shouldn't be drawn, especially when it comes to comics. Religion is something that isn't supposed to make fun out of it.

Utter gibberish. The idea that you are only allowed to draw things if you know what they look like is idiotic. If you don't like the artistic portrayal of fiction, stop playing games and watching films.

You said "it's wrong because prophets are "holy" to us muslims" That's fine, I hope it works well for you. However, like I said in my other post, that has nothing to do with me since I'm not a Muslim so, therefore there is technically nothing wrong with me doing it.

Nothing should be made exempt from being made fun of.

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I'm not a Muslim, so this paragraph is probably total bollocks, but perhaps Muslims believe Truth to be almost as important as the core values of their religion. If they do, it would make sense to ban images of the Prophet, because if nobody know what he looks like or what sort of personality he had, no one can create a truly realistic depiction of him, nor would they be able to convey what sort of person he was.

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Drawing a prophet is wrong. Drawing a COMIC about a prophet is VERY wrong!

It's wrong because prophets are "holy" to us Muslims, and since nobody knows what did they look like, then they shouldn't be drawn, especially when it comes to comics. Religion is something that isn't supposed to make fun out of it.

Utter gibberish. The idea that you are only allowed to draw things if you know what they look like is idiotic. If you don't like the artistic portrayal of fiction, stop playing games and watching films.

You said "it's wrong because prophets are "holy" to us muslims" That's fine, I hope it works well for you. However, like I said in my other post, that has nothing to do with me since I'm not a Muslim so, therefore there is technically nothing wrong with me doing it.

Nothing should be made exempt from being made fun of.

You gotta respect other religions, not only your religion. And I'm talking about PROPHETS SPECIFICALLY!

And yeah, you gotta respect other members too!

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 11:39:11 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       This topic is locked   post reply 

 quote:
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 originally posted by Dancer:

 quote:
 originally posted by Hamadah:

Drawing a prophet is wrong. Drawing a COMIC about a prophet is VERY wrong!

It's wrong because prophets are "holy" to us Muslims, and since nobody knows what did they look like, then they shouldn't be drawn, especially when it comes to comics. Religion is something that isn't supposed to make fun out of it.

Utter gibberish. The idea that you are only allowed to draw things if you know what they look like is idiotic. If you don't like the artistic portrayal of fiction, stop playing games and watching films.

You said "it's wrong because prophets are "holy" to us muslims" That's fine, I hope it works well for you. However, like I said in my other post, that has nothing to do with me since I'm not a Muslim so, therefore there is technically nothing wrong with me doing it.

Nothing should be made exempt from being made fun of.

You gotta respect other religions, not only your religion. And I'm talking about PROPHETS SPECIFICALLY!

And yeah, you gotta respect other members too!

A Lutheran wouldn't expect you to take communion and a Buddhist wouldn't expect you to take their pilgrimages.

So why should a Muslim demand that "respect" of his religion include subscribing to its practices?

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