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Could God Sin? (part two)
 
iNTANGiBLE  posted on Mar 29, 2010 7:00:45 AM - Report post

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Absolutely not. God created sins so he could test our faith in him, so how could he be a sinner?

Because what you perceive as a sin based on his word can actually be what he does in his own nature.

A father tells his child not to smoke, but smokes himself. And if God smokes than smoking is perfection, regardless of what he tells his followers to do.

Edit- Also, if sins are imperfection than a perfect God could not have created them.

[Edited by Dhampy, 3/28/2010 12:41:33 PM]

First, we can't consider him as our father.

Second, you said:"Also, if sins are imperfection than a perfect God could not have created them.", he didn't create them for himself, he created them for us as tempters, and he ordered us not to do any of them; he created them to see who follows his orders.

1st- The paradigm is one used the the basic beliefs of all three Abrahamic religions. If God created Adam and Adam begot the human race, than humans are God's children.

2nd- A perfect God cannot create imperfection. It doesn't matter who he would create it for. Which means sin is part of perfection, which means if God is perfect then God can sin.

Anyway, I'm saying this following my religion (Islam), and that's my opinion.

 
Vonfuzzball  posted on Mar 30, 2010 2:54:45 PM - Report post

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Didn't god send a flood to kill all life but Noah's family and 2 of every animal?

Isn't borderline genocide seen as a sin?

Also if Noah was sinless, where did sin come from?

 
Realusionist  posted on Mar 30, 2010 4:32:57 PM - Report post

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Through the lens or religion God is absolute completeness, thus Sin has no way.
Through the lens of existentialism God is a creation of mans desperation, thus it can sin cause the creator can.
 
Dancer  posted on Mar 30, 2010 6:21:14 PM - Report post

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Yeah, he does but, what's he gunna do? Go to hell?

Ho ho ho, good one.

Ignoring the non-existence of god,
I think this question is silly. It projects the idea that god is actually a "thing" and does things that have some kind of moral dignity. If i did choose to believe in god, for a laugh or something, I certainly wouldn't suggest that he is bound to the same ties as us or even exists in the same realm of logic.... I'm sorry, I can't think of much else to say, I'm finding it extremely difficult to rationalise it and place god intro a context of moral analysis, there will always be the religious cop-out of saying stuff like "God is simply good, God is absolute and acts in mysterious ways" or something. I really don't know how you people do it, I'm getting a headache.

I'm trying to think of it in the equivalent of someone who has an ant farm then, for some reason, he doesn't want the ants to do certain ant-type things like, digging or reproducing. The punishment for doing them is to be thrown into a fire. The ants have a certain level of sentience, up to the point that they can talk to the person. One day they see the person digging a hole and having sex, the ants just flip out and start getting angry at the person. The person then turns to the ants and says, I can do what I want but, you can't, you're ants.

 
Neo7  posted on Mar 30, 2010 6:24:17 PM - Report post

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God is the Administrator
Administrators have no rules.
Therefore God cannot sin.
 
Latiosmaster47  posted on Mar 30, 2010 6:29:09 PM - Report post

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God is the Administrator
Administrators have no rules.
Therefore God cannot sin.

He has no rules, therefore he is limited by the rules of morality?

Uhh...

[Edited by Latiosmaster47, 3/30/2010 6:29:55 PM]

 
onmosis36  posted on Mar 30, 2010 6:29:29 PM - Report post

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God definitely loves us, like a parent loves his/her child. If God ever does something bad to us, it is punishment for the Sins we have done. Sins are merely a tool used by God in order for us to show our faith in Him. Plus, if God do bad things to us, it means that He loves us, and does not want us to repeat those things we have done.
 
king-of-games  posted on Mar 30, 2010 7:16:41 PM - Report post

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Lets say god sets a certain number of rules and defines them as sin, lets say God then decides to go against one of those rule one day, it doesn't matter why but for the sake of the argument lets say he was bored. Doesn't that classify him as sinning even if he did make those rules himself. So maybe its more of a factor of God "choosing" not to sin rather then he "cannot" sin.


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