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Could God Sin? (part two)
 
Darkish  posted on Mar 28, 2010 12:21:25 PM - Report post

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A long time ago I made an identical topic asking if you all thought that God could sin. I decided to make it again for everyone who either didn't see it or for any newer members who would like to share their thoughts.

Now if you don't believe in God, for this topic pretend you do and offer your thoughts. Any comments such as "I don't believe in God" will be deleted.

One side of the discussion is that its not possible and of course the other side is that it is possible for God to sin.

What do you think?

 
Dhampy  posted on Mar 28, 2010 12:36:30 PM - Report post

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Depends on several things.

1. Is God perfect? If God is perfect than he cannot do imperfect things.

2. Then can sinning be perfect? I don't see why it can't be. Just because it's against what God wants you to do doesn't mean it isn't part of perfection.

3. If God is perfect, he can only create perfection--which means if God is perfect than so is this world and all that is wrapped up in it, including sin. We may not perceive it as such, but we also can't innately perceive infrared light, nor radiation.

4. This does not necessarily contradict any religious dogma as religion is about following God's COMMANDS, not his nature.

5. God can COMMAND you to do practically anything as a test and it doesn't contradict the idea of perfection.

6. Backwards? Maybe.

7. If I am perfect and I want you to show your commitment to me, I am within my perfection to command you to do things contrary to my own perfection--because I'm perfect and everything I do is perfect.

8. Circular argument? You bet.

9. But religion is about faith.

 
iNTANGiBLE  posted on Mar 28, 2010 12:37:34 PM - Report post

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Absolutely not. God created sins so he could test our faith in him, so how could he be a sinner?
 
Xientie  posted on Mar 28, 2010 12:37:42 PM - Report post

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I don't believe in any one God, I follow the old religion. Do I then believe that the Gods and Godesses sinned? Not only do I believe that they wantonly commited sin, I believe they introduced it to humanity, on a whole new level albeit.
 
Dhampy  posted on Mar 28, 2010 12:41:00 PM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by Hamadah

Absolutely not. God created sins so he could test our faith in him, so how could he be a sinner?

Because what you perceive as a sin based on his word can actually be what he does in his own nature.

A father tells his child not to smoke, but smokes himself. And if God smokes than smoking is perfection, regardless of what he tells his followers to do.

Edit- Also, if sins are imperfection than a perfect God could not have created them.

[Edited by Dhampy, 3/28/2010 12:41:33 PM]

 
drpepperfanatic  posted on Mar 28, 2010 12:45:41 PM - Report post

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No, I do not believe God can sin. Sin was something created by humans as a result of free will. If God could sin, then we could no longer consider God to be omnibenevolent (all-good or morally perfect). Since omnibenevolencs is one of God's qualities or features, then he is all-good and could not sin.

I'm too lazy to add more.

 
iNTANGiBLE  posted on Mar 28, 2010 12:50:02 PM - Report post

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quote:
originally posted by Hamadah

Absolutely not. God created sins so he could test our faith in him, so how could he be a sinner?

Because what you perceive as a sin based on his word can actually be what he does in his own nature.

A father tells his child not to smoke, but smokes himself. And if God smokes than smoking is perfection, regardless of what he tells his followers to do.

Edit- Also, if sins are imperfection than a perfect God could not have created them.

[Edited by Dhampy, 3/28/2010 12:41:33 PM]

First, we can't consider him as our father.

Second, you said:"Also, if sins are imperfection than a perfect God could not have created them.", he didn't create them for himself, he created them for us as tempters, and he ordered us not to do any of them; he created them to see who follows his orders.

 
SuperSkyline89  posted on Mar 28, 2010 12:51:01 PM - Report post

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I believe in God. I also believe in science. I believe that God created whatever is was that made the Big Bang possible. So God is responsible for creating the universe but didn't create it directly. Therefore He created the possibility of all the sin committed in that universe but not for the sins specifically.

Is providing the ground for sin a sin in itself? Maybe, I don't know, I honestly can't say I have a concrete opinion on this.

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