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Posted: Mar 27, 2010 12:25:43 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

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I notice a lot of bigotry coming from people which are predominantly religious.

Now let's ignore the fact you are willing to allow the invisible man in the sky to replace any form of reasoning with what you "assume" he approves of.

Let's say for sake of argument he is real do you actually think he would so strongly favour heterosexual? O rly? Well let's look apply some common sense to that viewpoint.

Here's a graph of the population of the Earth past and potentially the future.

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The worlds population has tripled in a less than a life time..

You could argue heterosexuality is reducing our planets resources and adversely affecting the environment and that if half the world were to turn gay tomorrow it would solve a lot of problems in years to come. So what reasonable god wouldn't favour this option? Although based on a lot of what I read in the bible he never did seem a particularly reasonable god to be fair.


Yes you could, but it would be a rather faulty since in a few hundred years medical knowledge for example has just skipped what may have decades at the time, please notice the "may have" i dont claim to any prophetic powers

And in my opinion because natural selection has become less dominant than before. Also wars were/are another contribuing matter.

But back to question at hand.

Im swedish basically and I probably generalize a bit, but to most swedes I'd argue that we simply dont give a damn who you take to bed, marry or whatnot. It's your life and none of our concern

But I'd also argue in the greater scheme of things, religious morality always had an contribuing factor to what people view as accepted sexuality. Just look back about 1000 to 1500 years, the Greek-Roman peroids before christanity made it's march through europe.

Sparta for example, had enforced homosexuality among it's elite soldiers, among romans it was just generally accepted.

That being said, I just dont get what the big fuss is about, but then again I dont claim any lofty goals of any kind of morality, ethics anyhow

[Edited by Maryus, 3/27/2010 12:27:03 AM]



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Posted: Mar 27, 2010 4:00:27 AM - Report post  (0)  (0)       Post Reply  post reply  

Isn't this like the 5th thread about this?

As I have said before, I am straight, which is my OWN personal choice, not just because of my religion.

I dislike the idea of homosexuals and bisexuals, that does not mean I dislike the people who are. (Unless, like Neo said, you go around advertising.)

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For me the same rules apply for same homosexual relationships as for heterosexual relationships. It makes no difference to me who you like or dislike.
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Personally i find Homosexual-ism a concept abnormal. Something like swimming against the flow. I think Nature by default existing factor has created to genders of Human in two forms of unique to cause the attraction in order to preserve the cycle now if i agree that such tendency is normal i have faulted my belief. But if you ask me do they have the right to choose what they want(in this case same sex partner)i'd say yes! Yes and no one should abstract this right.
Human is absolute in freedom. Human is a symbol of freedom.

But abnormality, yet it's abnormal but still a choice. As a human who believes in freedom i respect that choice.

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Personally i find Homosexual-ism a concept abnormal. Something like swimming against the flow. I think Nature by default existing factor has created to genders of Human in two forms of unique to cause the attraction in order to preserve the cycle now if i agree that such tendency is normal i have faulted my belief. But if you ask me do they have the right to choose what they want(in this case same sex partner)i'd say yes! Yes and no one should abstract this right.
Human is absolute in freedom. Human is a symbol of freedom.

But abnormality, yet it's abnormal but still a choice. As a human who believes in freedom i respect that choice.

Do I need repeat myself? to what end is endless reproduction normal when the planet is already approaching 7 billion people?

As for "normal" normal is completely subjective and has no meaning beyond the hollow values we apply to it. Nature and evolution by it's very definition is not set in stone, nature is evolving and changing all the time, if nature were to conform to any preset definition of normality evolution would almost stop completely.

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 quote:
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Personally i find Homosexual-ism a concept abnormal. Something like swimming against the flow. I think Nature by default existing factor has created to genders of Human in two forms of unique to cause the attraction in order to preserve the cycle now if i agree that such tendency is normal i have faulted my belief. But if you ask me do they have the right to choose what they want(in this case same sex partner)i'd say yes! Yes and no one should abstract this right.
Human is absolute in freedom. Human is a symbol of freedom.

But abnormality, yet it's abnormal but still a choice. As a human who believes in freedom i respect that choice.

Do I need repeat myself? to what end is endless reproduction normal when the planet is already approaching 7 billion people?

As for "normal" normal is completely subjective and has no meaning beyond the hollow values we apply to it. Nature and evolution by it's very definition is not set in stone, nature is evolving and changing all the time, if nature were to conform to any preset definition of normality evolution would almost stop completely.

I think all he meant by normal was the ability to reproduce. Something which I feel perfectly fine in saying is not only normal for living things, but a necessity.

And ya, the planet is overpopulated with humans. But that's because we're too dominant of a species, there's nothing to kill us except our own bickering. I hardly think that's reason to condemn reproduction, especially since the overpopulation is really only in the developing countries like India.

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Personally i find Homosexual-ism a concept abnormal. Something like swimming against the flow. I think Nature by default existing factor has created to genders of Human in two forms of unique to cause the attraction in order to preserve the cycle now if i agree that such tendency is normal i have faulted my belief. But if you ask me do they have the right to choose what they want(in this case same sex partner)i'd say yes! Yes and no one should abstract this right.
Human is absolute in freedom. Human is a symbol of freedom.

But abnormality, yet it's abnormal but still a choice. As a human who believes in freedom i respect that choice.

Do I need repeat myself? to what end is endless reproduction normal when the planet is already approaching 7 billion people?

As for "normal" normal is completely subjective and has no meaning beyond the hollow values we apply to it. Nature and evolution by it's very definition is not set in stone, nature is evolving and changing all the time, if nature were to conform to any preset definition of normality evolution would almost stop completely.

First of all i said it's my personal opinion and so i don't know what you mean by repeating yourself.

And yes Normal is subjective, subjective to common sense and simple regulations in nature, male mates female. Now because of 7 billion people this word or phrase is hollow value based,(?) i don't see it that way.

One of the pillars that Subjectivists are based upon is majority to all. Majority in compare to all.
When majority of Human are placed in the group of Male-Female relation then it can be called Normal. And yes by any means if this set changes into the majority of same-sex relation then Normal can be called different.

Now, aside all i said if you think Homosexual-ism is Normal, Ok or by any definition is approved by you then it's your point of view and has got nothing to do with mine. I simply think it's NOT.

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