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Picosaurus  posted on Jul 31, 2009 5:12:22 PM - Report post

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I'm a big fan of Fallout 3 and although the first two Fallout games were before my time I really like the lore surrounding the game. I spend a lot of time on the Fallout wiki 'The Vault' reading up on it.

However, there is a lot lacking in the game over other powers. There is China, Canada and the UN in heavy mention throughout the game but very little from Europe and the Soviet Union.

Maybe it's because I'm in the UK but it would be nice to learn what happened there and what's going on. Desmond from Point Lookout and Mr Ten-penny are nice and the bit in the science museum briefly mentioning the soviet union is cool but it seems like a lot more could be done.

Maybe there will be a DLC but (fingers crossed). Oh well maybe some of you will share this opinion.

 
Paradox  posted on Jul 31, 2009 5:32:53 PM - Report post

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Well, the developers of fallout 3 have seemed to be interested in having landmarks where their game takes place (so that they can have their own version of those important places rather than just a boring wasteland). The capital wasteland is ripe with landmarks such as the white house, the Washington monument, etc. I think the reason Bethesda didn't make Fallout 3 take place in areas like Russia and Britain is because they have no idea what the land looks like or what places are important there.

Basically, Bethesda made the game take place in the U.S. because they live there and know what the area is like. It would be unlikely for them to make a game that took place in another area unless they understood what that place was like.

[Edited by Paradox9999, 7/31/2009 5:33:38 PM]

 
Dhampy  posted on Jul 31, 2009 11:56:09 PM - Report post

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The Fallout universe is one in which there is essentially no one except the US and China left. Everyone else has been conquered or are non-entities.
 
saurabhfzd  posted on Aug 01, 2009 12:51:05 AM - Report post

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that's very sad. Bethesda should re-work their geography. i'm a big fan of Fallout by the way.

[Edited by saurabhfzd, 8/1/2009 12:51:56 AM]

 
Picosaurus  posted on Aug 01, 2009 3:14:20 AM - Report post

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I'm not asking Bethesday to make the game take place in the Soviet Union or Europe but for them to have a larger role in the Wasteland. They include things like the Chinese submarine or the secret base of Chinese ghouls but other than a few characters there is little to say from the rest of the world.

It seems quite clear that the where the Soviet Union and Europe were still exist explained by Dukhov's and Mr Tenpenny's arrivals in the Capital Wasteland but maybe a DLC with a Velvet Curtain esque side quest involving Europeans or Soviets.

It would be arrogant of me to assume that they make a game set in Europe or the Soviet Union.

 
Dhampy  posted on Aug 01, 2009 8:18:43 AM - Report post

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originally posted by saurabhfzd

that's very sad. Bethesda should re-work their geography. i'm a big fan of Fallout by the way.

[Edited by saurabhfzd, 8/1/2009 12:51:56 AM]

How is that sad? Do you know nothing of 20th century history? What else would a timeline in which the 1950s extended until 2077 entail?

Clearly: the US was only beginning to rise, the Chinese were working the early stages of building their economy but the foundation for their rise was already there. Europe had peaked and was falling fast, Russia had peaked. The rest of the world was the very definition of a non-entity.

Why should anyone else be the focus when they weren't a significant feature of WORLD HISTORY in the 1950s?

 
Picosaurus  posted on Aug 01, 2009 8:53:38 AM - Report post

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I wouldn't call Europe and the Soviet Union non entities in the twentieth century.

France for example was experiencing a large rise in their power during this time period with their re-establishment of African colonies under their 1946 constitution called the French Union. This would also develop in their own independent nuclear programme making them the third country to develop their own nuclear arms making them a serious presence during the cold war as their arms were not under American influence.

As for the Soviet Union they entered into a defence pact with China in 1950 so it makes little sense for them not to be mentioned as a part of the lore in that sense. Then there was Comecon and the Warsaw Pact and you cannot brush these organisations off as unimportant.

Also French and British colonialism as well as Soviet intervention could still be seen as existing as the Fallout lore constantly speaks of more aggressive domestic and foreign policy by countries.

Then I think it is a small favour to ask for more mention from the games than a some faint accents in characters and one sentence in one of the museums.

 
Dhampy  posted on Aug 01, 2009 11:33:59 AM - Report post

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I wouldn't call Europe and the Soviet Union non entities in the twentieth century.

France for example was experiencing a large rise in their power during this time period with their re-establishment of African colonies under their 1946 constitution called the French Union. This would also develop in their own independent nuclear programme making them the third country to develop their own nuclear arms making them a serious presence during the cold war as their arms were not under American influence.

As for the Soviet Union they entered into a defence pact with China in 1950 so it makes little sense for them not to be mentioned as a part of the lore in that sense. Then there was Comecon and the Warsaw Pact and you cannot brush these organisations off as unimportant.

Also French and British colonialism as well as Soviet intervention could still be seen as existing as the Fallout lore constantly speaks of more aggressive domestic and foreign policy by countries.

Then I think it is a small favour to ask for more mention from the games than a some faint accents in characters and one sentence in one of the museums.

I didn't say that.

I said "Europe had peaked and was falling fast, Russia had peaked. The rest of the world was the very definition of a non-entity."

Modern scholarship shows that the Warsaw Pact was even more hollow than historians had previously thought, and that is quite a Potemkin achievement. And the writing was already on the wall for Russia, they just managed to play little dutch boy until they ran out of fingers and it all disintegrated faster than the South Fork Dam.

France and Britain's pitiful attempts to exercise empire only lasted until 1956, when the US and USSR smacked their hands and the fallen powers ****ed their pants and ran into the corner, where they still are to this day.

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