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Trouble with Diplomacy
 
Dhampy  posted on Mar 25, 2009 6:21:38 AM - Report post

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I suppose, but it doesnt leave much room if you would liek to play a different way and not have everyone become your enemy and havta destroy them all. at this point the only nations that are very friendly to me are the native american tribes, and even that cost mucho denero. even nations I give land to either go to war with me or become hostile, and no matter how much bribing and gifting you do, it never gets better. then they just have tons of money to wage war against you.

But it is the only logical thing to happen.

If Russia decided to conquer Canada and Mexico--would you be happy to see them on your border?

 
komrade  posted on Mar 25, 2009 6:40:38 AM - Report post

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I suppose, but it doesnt leave much room if you would liek to play a different way and not have everyone become your enemy and havta destroy them all. at this point the only nations that are very friendly to me are the native american tribes, and even that cost mucho denero. even nations I give land to either go to war with me or become hostile, and no matter how much bribing and gifting you do, it never gets better. then they just have tons of money to wage war against you.

But it is the only logical thing to happen.

If Russia decided to conquer Canada and Mexico--would you be happy to see them on your border?

no but after 30 or so years of absolutely nothing happening i will be able to cautiously open up diplomatic channels and commence trade.

the initial shock of seeing a few lands being taken and annexed to another country wears of after several years and the expansionism modifier does not reflect that at all.

 
Dhampy  posted on Mar 25, 2009 8:33:43 AM - Report post

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originally posted by Dhampy

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originally posted by powergrind

I suppose, but it doesnt leave much room if you would liek to play a different way and not have everyone become your enemy and havta destroy them all. at this point the only nations that are very friendly to me are the native american tribes, and even that cost mucho denero. even nations I give land to either go to war with me or become hostile, and no matter how much bribing and gifting you do, it never gets better. then they just have tons of money to wage war against you.

But it is the only logical thing to happen.

If Russia decided to conquer Canada and Mexico--would you be happy to see them on your border?

no but after 30 or so years of absolutely nothing happening i will be able to cautiously open up diplomatic channels and commence trade.

the initial shock of seeing a few lands being taken and annexed to another country wears of after several years and the expansionism modifier does not reflect that at all.

I don't agree. Open trade with such an aggressive power will seldom be in ones best interest--they will easily flood your markets and subvert your control of your own economy. So, it would not be actively sought.

 
komrade  posted on Mar 25, 2009 1:33:01 PM - Report post

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perhaps if your country shares a history of many wars with the expansionist country then yeah.
but if for instance prussia started blitzing around eastern europe and always had friendly relations previously with the netherlands then i do not consider it likely that the netherlands would forever cut all diplomatic relations with prussia.

remember that the grand campaign takes place over 100 years and that historically the european powers simply did not have the luxery of not having trade and diplomacy between them for so many years.

 
powergrind  posted on Mar 25, 2009 1:54:19 PM - Report post

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plus if the other nations are going to war on you, and not the other way around, why would nations that are either allied to you or not even in the conflict care that much? or at the least hold a grudge towards you forever? most of the nations that are hostile to me, im very to just friendly to them. its just weird.
 
hopper_d  posted on Mar 25, 2009 2:24:24 PM - Report post

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you have to pay nations off in gifts.
 
Zstar20  posted on Mar 25, 2009 3:07:33 PM - Report post

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Ah this is happening to me, but it does have an interesting side effect as such as great britain I bought when I was small, a part of southern spain and conquered most of France thus forcing Spain into an alliance with me.
 
deliaren  posted on Mar 26, 2009 1:24:22 AM - Report post

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you have to pay nations off in gifts.

That's true.. if you use the trainer you can get 999,999 gold and can buy many gifts for ur enemies...

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